{"slug": "xlibre", "name": "XLibre", "category": "other", "category_name": "Other software", "description": "", "recommenders": 14, "commenters": 34, "warners": 13, "score": 0.954, "rising": -1.93, "first": "2025-11-02", "latest": "2026-10-12", "why": "So I am glad to see the momentum, the cleanups, and most of all, the continued dedication", "why_is_quote": true, "has_verdict": false, "sentiment": {"recommend": 17, "neutral": 6, "compare": 2, "warn": 13}, "spark": [1, 3, 5, 1, 1, 0, 1, 2, 1, 2, 0, 0], "listed": true, "loved": [], "caveat": "", "short_quote": "So I am glad to see the momentum, the cleanups, and most of all, the continued dedication", "kind": "", "icon": true, "domain": null, "github_repo": "github.com/x11libre/xserver", "official_url": "https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver", "pricing": "", "aliases": ["XLibre", "X11Libre", "Xlibre", "X11Libre xserver", "X11libre"], "verdict": null, "praise": [{"label": "", "summary": "", "quotes": [{"id": 789951280, "item_id": 49371955, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49371955", "by": "sertraline", "date": "2026-08-20", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Xlibre brought XNamespaces -- as well as HDR and seat management", "excerpt": "Yep, it is important to remember Metux was a sole guy supporting Xorg for many years while everybody else outright refused to touch the codebase. Then they blamed Metux for \"breaking compatibility.\" While this sounds like a plausible reason, long time Linux users could recall that every major X release broke something in one way or another. It's just how it is, there is no way around it. They blamed Metux for doing s", "context": "", "use_case": "X server fork", "switched_from": "", "story": "XWayland 26.1-rc1 Released Two Years After the Last Release"}, {"id": 789881747, "item_id": 49367609, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49367609", "by": "einpoklum", "date": "2026-08-19", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "why not embrace _that_ rather than go down the crooked Wayland path?", "excerpt": "I am not a fan of Wayland. I've not really bought the value proposition; and see also: https://gist.github.com/probonopd/9feb7c20257af5dd915e3a9f2d1f2277 what's more - this seems like yet another RedHat/IBM project which destroys variety and flexibility in favor of their problematic choices, often with a degradation of functionality. systemd, Wayland, GNOME - and of course nothing would run on BSDes, heavens forbid. ", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "XWayland 26.1-rc1 Released Two Years After the Last Release"}, {"id": 783216288, "item_id": 48951018, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48951018", "by": "shevy-java", "date": "2026-07-17", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Working on it:", "excerpt": "> The underlying graphics engine, the thing that puts pixels on the screen. X11 is 4 million lines of code, a beast very few can claim they understand. Working on it: https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver And they also deleted old code too. A lot of the old code could probably be removed, but is it really that relevant whether you have 4 millions line of code or 2 million lines of code? C is in my opinion too overbose.", "context": "", "use_case": "reducing X server codebase", "switched_from": "", "story": "Frame \u2013 the first Linux Assembly X server"}, {"id": 779274162, "item_id": 48704635, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48704635", "by": "shevy-java", "date": "2026-06-27", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I don't think so: https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver", "excerpt": "> that is what the X developers did with Wayland This is rather incomplete. For instance, gtk devs already threw out tons of old code in GTK4. Wayland also has fewer features than xorg; and there are also fewer choices available. I noticed this with regards to WMs/DEs. I am not even going to issues wayland has with regards to certain video graphics - that's another not mentioned issue here. You are trying to pick ind", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Enhancing X11 Application Security with LXC"}, {"id": 779273664, "item_id": 48704604, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48704604", "by": "shevy-java", "date": "2026-06-27", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "it is actively maintained still", "excerpt": "I don't think it is \"just around\" - it is actively maintained still: https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver In the end Red Hat failed to kill off X11. Let's see what happens next. The GTK devs already rejected patches for maintaining the toolkit further for the xorg platform, following their \"GTK5 will no longer support x11\" agenda. Would be kind of great to have a universal GUI toolkit that would work rather than have ", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Enhancing X11 Application Security with LXC"}]}], "caveats": [{"label": "", "summary": "", "quotes": [{"id": 793462048, "item_id": 49591378, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49591378", "by": "NekkoDroid", "date": "2026-09-06", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Recently even Artix had to drop XLibre support for causing too many issues", "excerpt": "What did they actually do to kill it? The 2 quotes just say \"they killed it\", but the way I read it having followed most linux stuff is just they are finally happy that they were able to \"kill X.Org\" in RHEL by being able to provide an alternative that they are able to actually improve upon. And metux was banned from my knowledge after multiple times pushing uncompilable and breaking changes to the actual X.Org repo,", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "AMD Based FreeBSD Desktop Reloaded"}, {"id": 789882992, "item_id": 49367687, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49367687", "by": "CursedSilicon", "date": "2026-08-19", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Given who founded Xlibre (Metux) has some...interesting history", "excerpt": "Given who founded Xlibre (Metux) has some...interesting history (he was banned from the X.org project due to poor code quality and practices [1]) I would say no Metux himself also has some \"fascinating\" takes as archived from other projects such as the LKML [1] and Devuan [2] mailing lists [1] https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/work_items/1797 [2] https://lkml.org/lkml/2021/6/10/957 [3] https://web.archive", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "XWayland 26.1-rc1 Released Two Years After the Last Release"}, {"id": 782711344, "item_id": 48919459, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48919459", "by": "preisschild", "date": "2026-07-15", "stance": "warn", "quote": "You forgot to mention that Xlibre is run by a conspiracy theorist", "excerpt": "You forgot to mention that Xlibre is run by a conspiracy theorist, who broke Xorg by having multiple bugs in his Merge Requests and is well known in the kernel mailing list for spreading vaccine misinformation and getting called out by Linus Torvalds personally for it https://lore.kernel.org/ksummit/CAHk-=wiB6FJknDC5PMfpkg4gZrbSuC3d391VyReM4Wb0+JYXXA@mail.gmail.com/ Would you run and rely on TempleOS? Then XLibre is ", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Measuring Input Latency on Linux: X11 vs. Wayland, VRR, and DXVK"}, {"id": 779423584, "item_id": 48713974, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48713974", "by": "fluffybucktsnek", "date": "2026-06-28", "stance": "warn", "quote": "It can. Easily.", "excerpt": "It can. Easily. Wayland is a new protocol, without an established implementation; X11 is an older protocol, while Xorg was an established implementation and XLibre is trying to modernize its codebase. Recall https://xkcd.com/1172/ .", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Enhancing X11 Application Security with LXC"}]}], "who": [{"by": "clemens3", "context": "long-time Linux user", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46014854", "date": "2025-11-22"}], "tags": [], "use_cases": ["x server fork", "reducing x server codebase", "x11 server", "x11 display server", "xorg fork", "x11 display server fork"], "compared": [{"slug": "xorg", "name": "Xorg", "co": 9, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "wayland", "name": "Wayland", "co": 9, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "x11", "name": "X11", "co": 5, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "gtk", "name": "GTK", "co": 3, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "nix", "name": "Nix", "co": 2, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "systemd", "name": "systemd", "co": 2, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "wayback", "name": "Wayback", "co": 2, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 0}], "makers": [], "threads": [{"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48701936", "title": "Enhancing X11 Application Security with LXC", "mentions": 6}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46779645", "title": "Xfwl4 \u2013 The Roadmap for a Xfce Wayland Compositor", "mentions": 6}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49366474", "title": "XWayland 26.1-rc1 Released Two Years After the Last Release", "mentions": 4}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46380075", "title": "Phoenix: A modern X server written from scratch in Zig", "mentions": 4}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45790015", "title": "X.org Security Advisory: multiple security issues X.Org X server and Xwayland", "mentions": 3}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47388137", "title": "Separating the Wayland Compositor and Window Manager", "mentions": 2}], "sentiment_by_month": {"2025-11": {"compare": 1, "neutral": 1, "warn": 1, "recommend": 1}, "2025-12": {"warn": 1, "recommend": 3, "compare": 1}, "2026-01": {"recommend": 5, "neutral": 1, "warn": 3}, "2026-02": {"recommend": 1, "warn": 2}, "2026-03": {"recommend": 1, "warn": 1}, "2026-04": {}, "2026-05": {"recommend": 1}, "2026-06": {"warn": 2, "recommend": 2, "neutral": 2}, "2026-07": {"warn": 1, "recommend": 1}, "2026-08": {"recommend": 2, "warn": 1, "neutral": 1}, "2026-09": {"warn": 1}, "2026-10": {"neutral": 1}}, "quotes": [{"id": 800955973, "item_id": 50059748, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50059748", "by": "shevy-java", "date": "2026-10-12", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "Let's see whether this will succeed though", "excerpt": "(Still continuing ...) > I know how that era ended, and no - that is not the part of the analogy I am after. So he acknowledges how his own analogy is tainted. If Weimar worked so well, why would the Nazis have had success? Yes, people are stupid, you see it with Trump voters or ultra-right voters in Europe; many vote because of having lost in other areas, in particular the economy right now (very similar to 1933 in ", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Living in the Weimar Era of Ruby"}, {"id": 793462048, "item_id": 49591378, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49591378", "by": "NekkoDroid", "date": "2026-09-06", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Recently even Artix had to drop XLibre support for causing too many issues", "excerpt": "What did they actually do to kill it? The 2 quotes just say \"they killed it\", but the way I read it having followed most linux stuff is just they are finally happy that they were able to \"kill X.Org\" in RHEL by being able to provide an alternative that they are able to actually improve upon. And metux was banned from my knowledge after multiple times pushing uncompilable and breaking changes to the actual X.Org repo,", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "AMD Based FreeBSD Desktop Reloaded"}, {"id": 790053136, "item_id": 49378321, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49378321", "by": "saelthavron", "date": "2026-08-20", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "At least one was looks like it was sourced from XLibre", "excerpt": "At least one was looks like it was sourced from XLibre: https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/pull/1314", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Xorg-Server 26.0.99.901"}, {"id": 790001328, "item_id": 49375083, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49375083", "by": "einpoklum", "date": "2026-08-20", "stance": "compare", "quote": "Do you have a link to someone analyzing/considering the changes made to Xlibre relative to Xorg??", "excerpt": "I was about to reply that it is now a project with many contributions, but looking here: https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/graphs/contributors?from=16%2F05%2F2026 it seems that there are only two additional significant contributors (an anonymous \"stefan1111\" and Alan Coopersmith, an X.org member who maintains the Solaris port), and a larger number of people who contributed a couple of commits here and there - and E", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "XWayland 26.1-rc1 Released Two Years After the Last Release"}, {"id": 789951280, "item_id": 49371955, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49371955", "by": "sertraline", "date": "2026-08-20", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Xlibre brought XNamespaces -- as well as HDR and seat management", "excerpt": "Yep, it is important to remember Metux was a sole guy supporting Xorg for many years while everybody else outright refused to touch the codebase. Then they blamed Metux for \"breaking compatibility.\" While this sounds like a plausible reason, long time Linux users could recall that every major X release broke something in one way or another. It's just how it is, there is no way around it. They blamed Metux for doing s", "context": "", "use_case": "X server fork", "switched_from": "", "story": "XWayland 26.1-rc1 Released Two Years After the Last Release"}, {"id": 789882992, "item_id": 49367687, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49367687", "by": "CursedSilicon", "date": "2026-08-19", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Given who founded Xlibre (Metux) has some...interesting history", "excerpt": "Given who founded Xlibre (Metux) has some...interesting history (he was banned from the X.org project due to poor code quality and practices [1]) I would say no Metux himself also has some \"fascinating\" takes as archived from other projects such as the LKML [1] and Devuan [2] mailing lists [1] https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/work_items/1797 [2] https://lkml.org/lkml/2021/6/10/957 [3] https://web.archive", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "XWayland 26.1-rc1 Released Two Years After the Last Release"}, {"id": 789881747, "item_id": 49367609, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49367609", "by": "einpoklum", "date": "2026-08-19", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "why not embrace _that_ rather than go down the crooked Wayland path?", "excerpt": "I am not a fan of Wayland. I've not really bought the value proposition; and see also: https://gist.github.com/probonopd/9feb7c20257af5dd915e3a9f2d1f2277 what's more - this seems like yet another RedHat/IBM project which destroys variety and flexibility in favor of their problematic choices, often with a degradation of functionality. systemd, Wayland, GNOME - and of course nothing would run on BSDes, heavens forbid. ", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "XWayland 26.1-rc1 Released Two Years After the Last Release"}, {"id": 783216288, "item_id": 48951018, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48951018", "by": "shevy-java", "date": "2026-07-17", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Working on it:", "excerpt": "> The underlying graphics engine, the thing that puts pixels on the screen. X11 is 4 million lines of code, a beast very few can claim they understand. Working on it: https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver And they also deleted old code too. A lot of the old code could probably be removed, but is it really that relevant whether you have 4 millions line of code or 2 million lines of code? C is in my opinion too overbose.", "context": "", "use_case": "reducing X server codebase", "switched_from": "", "story": "Frame \u2013 the first Linux Assembly X server"}, {"id": 782711344, "item_id": 48919459, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48919459", "by": "preisschild", "date": "2026-07-15", "stance": "warn", "quote": "You forgot to mention that Xlibre is run by a conspiracy theorist", "excerpt": "You forgot to mention that Xlibre is run by a conspiracy theorist, who broke Xorg by having multiple bugs in his Merge Requests and is well known in the kernel mailing list for spreading vaccine misinformation and getting called out by Linus Torvalds personally for it https://lore.kernel.org/ksummit/CAHk-=wiB6FJknDC5PMfpkg4gZrbSuC3d391VyReM4Wb0+JYXXA@mail.gmail.com/ Would you run and rely on TempleOS? Then XLibre is ", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Measuring Input Latency on Linux: X11 vs. Wayland, VRR, and DXVK"}, {"id": 779423584, "item_id": 48713974, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48713974", "by": "fluffybucktsnek", "date": "2026-06-28", "stance": "warn", "quote": "It can. Easily.", "excerpt": "It can. Easily. Wayland is a new protocol, without an established implementation; X11 is an older protocol, while Xorg was an established implementation and XLibre is trying to modernize its codebase. Recall https://xkcd.com/1172/ .", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Enhancing X11 Application Security with LXC"}, {"id": 779286384, "item_id": 48705399, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48705399", "by": "oneshtein", "date": "2026-06-28", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "", "excerpt": "See also yserver[0]: A modern X11 server written from scratch in Rust. 0: https://github.com/joske/yserver", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Enhancing X11 Application Security with LXC"}, {"id": 779274162, "item_id": 48704635, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48704635", "by": "shevy-java", "date": "2026-06-27", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I don't think so: https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver", "excerpt": "> that is what the X developers did with Wayland This is rather incomplete. For instance, gtk devs already threw out tons of old code in GTK4. Wayland also has fewer features than xorg; and there are also fewer choices available. I noticed this with regards to WMs/DEs. I am not even going to issues wayland has with regards to certain video graphics - that's another not mentioned issue here. You are trying to pick ind", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Enhancing X11 Application Security with LXC"}, {"id": 779273664, "item_id": 48704604, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48704604", "by": "shevy-java", "date": "2026-06-27", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "it is actively maintained still", "excerpt": "I don't think it is \"just around\" - it is actively maintained still: https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver In the end Red Hat failed to kill off X11. Let's see what happens next. The GTK devs already rejected patches for maintaining the toolkit further for the xorg platform, following their \"GTK5 will no longer support x11\" agenda. Would be kind of great to have a universal GUI toolkit that would work rather than have ", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Enhancing X11 Application Security with LXC"}, {"id": 779247120, "item_id": 48702945, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48702945", "by": "Chu4eeno", "date": "2026-06-27", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "", "excerpt": "Not the only one, there's also a new one (written in zig) I've forgot the name of. edit: phoenix was the name: https://github.com/external-mirrors/phoenix#phoenix", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Enhancing X11 Application Security with LXC"}, {"id": 779246208, "item_id": 48702888, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48702888", "by": "calvinmorrison", "date": "2026-06-27", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Xlibre (the only current actively developed implementation of a X11 server) has a new extension - XNamespace", "excerpt": "Xlibre (the only current actively developed implementation of a X11 server) has a new extension - XNamespace to address some challenges as well. https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/blob/master/doc/Xnamespace.md", "context": "", "use_case": "X11 server", "switched_from": "", "story": "Enhancing X11 Application Security with LXC"}, {"id": 777693504, "item_id": 48605844, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48605844", "by": "calvinmorrison", "date": "2026-06-19", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "So I am glad to see the momentum, the cleanups, and most of all, the continued dedication", "excerpt": "So I have been kind of idly watching this, trying to avoid the political. Every few days i jump in, do a git pull and look at commits. Over time I have been pasting them into the IRC and chatting about it. Some are clearly like 'wow this is an obvious fix' to bugs that seem to have been long standing. papercut type bugs. Some are larger refactors and clean ups that someone who is putting a project to bed wouldn't bot", "context": "", "use_case": "X11 display server", "switched_from": "", "story": "XLibre XServer 25.2.0 Released"}, {"id": 774127136, "item_id": 48382946, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48382946", "by": "KptMarchewa", "date": "2026-06-03", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Oh yes, by this wonderful guy.", "excerpt": "> Xlibre Oh yes, by this wonderful guy. https://lkml.org/lkml/2021/6/10/957", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Preparing for KDE Plasma's Last X11-Supported Release"}, {"id": 770255233, "item_id": 48140952, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48140952", "by": "shevy-java", "date": "2026-05-14", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Why not xserver https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver or gtk2-ng", "excerpt": "Funding is nice, though ... why so much into KDE? Not other projects? I think KDE was better in the past. With its \"wayland-only\" future it will leave behind several linux users. > I also think it's worth reflecting on just how much stuff KDE gets done with so little money. I dropped them 50\u20ac yesterday, and would encourage people to do the same So the donation daemon worked. Though, if they now have so much money, wh", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Germany's Sovereign Tech Fund Backs KDE with \u20ac1.3M"}, {"id": 759696737, "item_id": 47481046, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47481046", "by": "shevy-java", "date": "2026-03-22", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Perhaps https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver can revive the older ecosystem.", "excerpt": "Wayland is a mess. Perhaps https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver can revive the older ecosystem. Almost nobody writes for wayland. About two years ago I tried to switch, then gave up when I realised how many things are missing on wayland. And then I noticed that barely anyone wrote software for wayland. It feels like a corporate advertisement project really. GNOME and KDE push for wayland now.", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "MAUI Is Coming to Linux"}, {"id": 758298689, "item_id": 47393668, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47393668", "by": "asveikau", "date": "2026-03-15", "stance": "warn", "quote": "x11libre specifically is a little suspicious though", "excerpt": "I'm using X11 every day on my personal machines and don't see a need to switch at this time. I think x11libre specifically is a little suspicious though. There's nothing wrong with the xorg packages I use today that requires a fork.", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Separating the Wayland Compositor and Window Manager"}, {"id": 758274928, "item_id": 47392183, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47392183", "by": "shevy-java", "date": "2026-03-15", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "imagine if a non-corporate controlled ecosystem would emerge.", "excerpt": "Many theories. A simple one is that corporations wanted more control. See systemd's rise - not related to wayland as such, but to corporate-driven influence. I am not saying all of the design is corporate-controlled. But a ton of propaganda is associated with how wayland was advertised, until some folks had enough with it and decided to stop buying the \"xorg is dead\" routine these corporations push on: https://github", "context": "", "use_case": "Xorg fork", "switched_from": "", "story": "Separating the Wayland Compositor and Window Manager"}, {"id": 749876370, "item_id": 46867273, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46867273", "by": "its_magic", "date": "2026-02-02", "stance": "warn", "quote": "I recommend staying far away from", "excerpt": "The difference is that the people who designed X11 were honest in their intentions. The authors are systemd, wayland, etc are not. I'll just leave it at that. (I recommend staying far away from \"X11libre\" also, for the same reason, with no further comment.) Monolithic stuff is OK too, where it makes sense. The kernel is monolithic. ZFS is monolithic. (Yes, this system has ZFS support. The module is built in to the ke", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Linux from Scratch Ends SysVinit Support"}, {"id": 749637424, "item_id": 46852339, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46852339", "by": "its_ubuntu", "date": "2026-02-01", "stance": "warn", "quote": "I recommend staying far away from x11libre.", "excerpt": "I recommend staying far away from x11libre. It's a red herring and nothing good will come out of that project. RedHat/Microsoft (but I repeat myself) is behind it. Study the drama that went on surrounding its launch. All that was meant to give the project street cred, like they're the rebel forces working against Big Brother. Nope, there's red flags all over that situation. Classic example of Controlled Opposition. T", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Noctia: A sleek and minimal desktop shell thoughtfully crafted for Wayland"}, {"id": 749628915, "item_id": 46851807, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46851807", "by": "nextos", "date": "2026-02-01", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "At least, it's encouraging to hear it's getting maintained.", "excerpt": "I agree. I think fixing the keylogging issue should be possible without dumping the entire architecture. Perhaps the new X11 fork https://x11libre.net will achieve that? At least, it's encouraging to hear it's getting maintained. Regarding (recent) supply chain attacks, Linux needs to take supply integrity and sandboxing more seriously. The tools to do so are there (e.g. Nix and firejail/bwrap) and, unlike Wayland, t", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Noctia: A sleek and minimal desktop shell thoughtfully crafted for Wayland"}, {"id": 748693872, "item_id": 46793367, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46793367", "by": "pantalaimon", "date": "2026-01-28", "stance": "warn", "quote": "I wouldn't put too much trust into that project.", "excerpt": "Given that all their patches were reverted in upstream X11 due to quality issues [0], I wouldn't put too much trust into that project. [0] https://www.phoronix.com/news/X.Org-Server-Lots-Of-Reverts", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Xfwl4 \u2013 The Roadmap for a Xfce Wayland Compositor"}, {"id": 748660720, "item_id": 46791295, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46791295", "by": "theamk", "date": "2026-01-27", "stance": "warn", "quote": "the kind that introduces regressions?", "excerpt": "the kind that introduces regressions? there is a reason lead developer of X11Libre left Xorg project, they did not like broken code: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/1760 (and many more if you search)", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Xfwl4 \u2013 The Roadmap for a Xfce Wayland Compositor"}, {"id": 748588656, "item_id": 46786791, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46786791", "by": "the_why_of_y", "date": "2026-01-27", "stance": "warn", "quote": "the founder of X11Libre was removed from the X.Org project for demonstrated incompetence.", "excerpt": "My understanding is that the founder of X11Libre was removed from the X.Org project for demonstrated incompetence. https://www.phoronix.com/news/X.Org-Server-Lots-Of-Reverts", "context": "", "use_case": "X server fork", "switched_from": "", "story": "Xfwl4 \u2013 The Roadmap for a Xfce Wayland Compositor"}, {"id": 748562816, "item_id": 46785176, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46785176", "by": "diath", "date": "2026-01-27", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "which is now getting all these fancy features", "excerpt": "> Surely if all these merge requests were of huge value There were a lot of MRs with valuable changes however Red Hat wanted certain features to be exclusive to Wayland to make the alternative more appealing to people so they actively blocked these MRs from progressing. > someone could have forked the project and be very happy with all the changes, right? That's precisely what happened, one of the biggest contributor", "context": "", "use_case": "X11 display server fork", "switched_from": "", "story": "Xfwl4 \u2013 The Roadmap for a Xfce Wayland Compositor"}, {"id": 748500928, "item_id": 46781308, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46781308", "by": "simoncion", "date": "2026-01-27", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "then do gather up some likeminded folks to hire a dev to follow the guidance here", "excerpt": "If the XLibre project appears to be making enough fairly-consistent progress for you to be comfortable tossing around some cash, then do gather up some likeminded folks to hire a dev to follow the guidance here [0] and help out! Do note that I've never tried to croudfund a programmer, but that's something that I have to believe is possible to do. [0]