{"slug": "tesla-fsd", "name": "Tesla FSD", "category": "other", "category_name": "Other software", "description": "Tesla's supervised driver-assistance software for highway and city driving in Tesla vehicles.", "recommenders": 15, "commenters": 20, "warners": 4, "score": 10.358, "rising": 4.38, "first": "2025-11-04", "latest": "2026-10-29", "why": "Owners like it for handling daily commutes and most of their everyday driving, saying it keeps improving with updates and that no other car they can buy matches it.", "why_is_quote": false, "has_verdict": true, "sentiment": {"recommend": 15, "neutral": 1, "compare": 0, "warn": 4}, "spark": [1, 0, 2, 0, 1, 1, 0, 0, 3, 1, 2, 4], "listed": true, "loved": ["Daily driving", "Improves over time"], "caveat": "Needs supervision", "short_quote": "It drives me to and from work every day without having to so much as touch the wheel.", "icon": true, "domain": "tesla.com", "github_repo": null, "official_url": "https://www.tesla.com/fsd", "pricing": "paid", "aliases": ["Tesla FSD", "Tesla Full Self-Driving"], "verdict": [{"text": "Owners like it for handling daily commutes and most of their everyday driving", "cites": [{"id": 791049088, "item_id": 49440568, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49440568", "by": "DarmokJalad1701", "date": "2026-08-25", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "It drives me to and from work every day without having to so much as touch the wheel.", "excerpt": "> And the AMAZING hyperloop Wow! Was there a Musk company dedicated to building that? Where is the press release announcing it? Surely it must have been a big deal if you are so excited about it's failure! > And FSD is coming next year now It is already here. You can hail one right now in multiple cities. And in my own car, I use it every day and have for 2+ years. For the $3k I paid in 2019, I definitely got what I ", "context": "Tesla owner, uses it daily for 2+ years", "use_case": "self-driving commute", "switched_from": "", "story": "Starbase, LA"}, {"id": 765023888, "item_id": 47813993, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47813993", "by": "enslavedrobot", "date": "2026-04-18", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "It regularly drives me for my entire commute with no interventions.", "excerpt": "I have HW3 in Canada and I use FSD everyday. It regularly drives me for my entire commute with no interventions. The fact that FSD in Europe has been massively delayed is mostly the fault of regulators. Sad but true.", "context": "HW3 owner in Canada", "use_case": "daily commute driving", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tesla tells HW3 owner to 'be patient' after 7 years of waiting for FSD"}, {"id": 798044336, "item_id": 49877771, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49877771", "by": "ronnier", "date": "2026-09-28", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Fsd is amazing.  I use it daily", "excerpt": "Fsd is amazing. I use it daily, it completely changed my daily drive in that I don\u2019t. All of my driving is now on fsd, I sit back and chill while the car takes me to my destination.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily driving", "switched_from": "", "story": "SpaceX's Starship launching to orbit for first time ever today"}, {"id": 732991696, "item_id": 45811981, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45811981", "by": "BurritoKing", "date": "2025-11-04", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I love FSD, I use it for 99% of my driving, and when it's working right it's an incredibly technology that overall makes my driving safer", "excerpt": "As a massive advocate of FSD (and someone who's currently running 14.1.4, their very latest FSD build) it is absolutely in no way ready for unsupervised FSD. It still makes silly mistakes, and the latest build is terrified of leaves and will swerve across lane dividers to desperately avoid a leaf blowing into it's path. I love FSD, I use it for 99% of my driving, and when it's working right it's an incredibly technol", "context": "FSD user running 14.1.4", "use_case": "driving assistance", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tesla's \u2018Robotaxis' Keep Crashing\u2014Even With Human \u2018Safety Monitors' Onboard"}]}, {"text": ", saying it keeps improving with updates and that no other car they can buy matches it.", "cites": [{"id": 804672480, "item_id": 50292030, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50292030", "by": "whall6", "date": "2026-10-29", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use FSD every day and it drives much much safer than I would.", "excerpt": "This response is half a decade old. I use FSD every day and it drives much much safer than I would. I've owned my Tesla for less than 2 years and it improves further with every update.", "context": "Tesla owner for under 2 years", "use_case": "driving", "switched_from": "", "story": "I went to Mexico to test-drive the cars Americans can\u2019t buy"}, {"id": 791049088, "item_id": 49440568, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49440568", "by": "DarmokJalad1701", "date": "2026-08-25", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "It drives me to and from work every day without having to so much as touch the wheel.", "excerpt": "> And the AMAZING hyperloop Wow! Was there a Musk company dedicated to building that? Where is the press release announcing it? Surely it must have been a big deal if you are so excited about it's failure! > And FSD is coming next year now It is already here. You can hail one right now in multiple cities. And in my own car, I use it every day and have for 2+ years. For the $3k I paid in 2019, I definitely got what I ", "context": "Tesla owner, uses it daily for 2+ years", "use_case": "self-driving commute", "switched_from": "", "story": "Starbase, LA"}, {"id": 802136560, "item_id": 50133535, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50133535", "by": "drenvuk", "date": "2026-10-17", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "there is literally no better ownable self driving car than a tesla", "excerpt": "hater. i use it to go work every day while programming or scheduling things or reading and replying to emails in the car. no issues. today, right now, on this date there is literally no better ownable self driving car than a tesla. there need to be more. i will not buy a car without self driving again.", "context": "daily Tesla driver", "use_case": "daily commute driving", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tesla Roadster"}, {"id": 782890512, "item_id": 48930657, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48930657", "by": "modeless", "date": "2026-07-15", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Today I used it for more than an hour around town. It's amazing.", "excerpt": "Yeah, I bought it in 2018 with full knowledge that it would be many years before it worked at all. Today I used it for more than an hour around town. It's amazing. I won't buy any car without an equivalent feature in the future. And today there's nothing equivalent in any other car you can buy.", "context": "bought in 2018", "use_case": "driving assistance", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok Build Is OSS"}]}, {"text": " The most common caveat is that it still needs active supervision", "cites": [{"id": 800449680, "item_id": 50028105, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50028105", "by": "SpicyLemonZest", "date": "2026-10-10", "stance": "warn", "quote": "The idea that you can safely turn on FSD without being actively alert and engaged seems to be entirely a social media hallucination from Tesla fans.", "excerpt": "Tesla does not have point to point autonomous driving. They state in their own marketing material, https://www.tesla.com/fsd, that \"Currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous.\" I used to blame Elon Musk for this, but while he's made a number of over-optimistic predictions, as far as I can tell even he doesn't claim that FSD is currently autonomous. The idea tha", "context": "", "use_case": "driver assistance", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tesla Rebrands Full Self-Driving as Tesla Assisted Driving in Europe"}, {"id": 732991696, "item_id": 45811981, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45811981", "by": "BurritoKing", "date": "2025-11-04", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I love FSD, I use it for 99% of my driving, and when it's working right it's an incredibly technology that overall makes my driving safer", "excerpt": "As a massive advocate of FSD (and someone who's currently running 14.1.4, their very latest FSD build) it is absolutely in no way ready for unsupervised FSD. It still makes silly mistakes, and the latest build is terrified of leaves and will swerve across lane dividers to desperately avoid a leaf blowing into it's path. I love FSD, I use it for 99% of my driving, and when it's working right it's an incredibly technol", "context": "FSD user running 14.1.4", "use_case": "driving assistance", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tesla's \u2018Robotaxis' Keep Crashing\u2014Even With Human \u2018Safety Monitors' Onboard"}, {"id": 804754192, "item_id": 50297137, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50297137", "by": "cryptoegorophy", "date": "2026-10-29", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I use FSD in Tesla a lot and there is a lot of times I \"override\" with the gas pedal because I think it phantom breaks or being slow", "excerpt": "oh man, the override thing is super dangerous. I use FSD in Tesla a lot and there is a lot of times I \"override\" with the gas pedal because I think it phantom breaks or being slow and there were at least 2 cases where there was legitimate reason to stop (person crossing in my blind spot).", "context": "Tesla driver", "use_case": "driving assistance", "switched_from": "", "story": "What we know so far about Spain train crash"}]}, {"text": ", with users reporting regressions between versions, indecisive lane changes and phantom braking.", "cites": [{"id": 801955808, "item_id": 50122238, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50122238", "by": "FeloniousHam", "date": "2026-10-16", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use \"full self driving\" every day!", "excerpt": "I hope not, I use \"full self driving\" every day! I'm sure your statement is based extensive experience, but mine is that for 2 1/2 years over 40k miles, it has worked very well. Not perfect (parking spot selection has frequent regressions), but astonishingly well.", "context": "2.5 years, 40k miles", "use_case": "daily driving", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tesla Roadster"}, {"id": 785202144, "item_id": 49075134, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49075134", "by": "qwerpy", "date": "2026-07-27", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I came to my own conclusion which is that FSD is ready for my everyday needs.", "excerpt": "Good points about the stats. I know the answers to some of those questions, but at some point it's so hard to get apples to apples comparisons for these things. So I did a \"paranoid super-supervised\" usage of FSD for a year or two to learn its failure modes and get used to its reliability or lack thereof. Then combined with the (allegedly truthful) FSD stats, I came to my own conclusion which is that FSD is ready for", "context": "Tesla owner in Orange County", "use_case": "everyday driving", "switched_from": "", "story": "What is happening to jobs? Separating AI hype from reality"}, {"id": 758616832, "item_id": 47413552, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47413552", "by": "x187463", "date": "2026-03-17", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "It's an unbelievable driver-assistance system.", "excerpt": "It would be great to have some useful information about the failure condition for FSD in this situation but the author provides essentially nothing. > The car was making a turn. Something felt off\u2014the steering wheel jerked one way, then the other, and the car decelerated in a way I didn\u2019t expect. I use the latest FSD in an M3 and I have noticed it behave indecisively when changing lanes, not so much when turning, but", "context": "uses the latest FSD in an M3", "use_case": "driver assistance", "switched_from": "", "story": "My Self-Driving Car Crash \u2013 The Tesla was driving perfectly\u2013until it wasn't"}, {"id": 804754192, "item_id": 50297137, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50297137", "by": "cryptoegorophy", "date": "2026-10-29", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I use FSD in Tesla a lot and there is a lot of times I \"override\" with the gas pedal because I think it phantom breaks or being slow", "excerpt": "oh man, the override thing is super dangerous. I use FSD in Tesla a lot and there is a lot of times I \"override\" with the gas pedal because I think it phantom breaks or being slow and there were at least 2 cases where there was legitimate reason to stop (person crossing in my blind spot).", "context": "Tesla driver", "use_case": "driving assistance", "switched_from": "", "story": "What we know so far about Spain train crash"}]}], "praise": [{"label": "Daily driving", "summary": "Owners use it for commutes and most everyday trips, often without touching the wheel.", "quotes": [{"id": 791049088, "item_id": 49440568, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49440568", "by": "DarmokJalad1701", "date": "2026-08-25", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "It drives me to and from work every day without having to so much as touch the wheel.", "excerpt": "> And the AMAZING hyperloop Wow! Was there a Musk company dedicated to building that? Where is the press release announcing it? Surely it must have been a big deal if you are so excited about it's failure! > And FSD is coming next year now It is already here. You can hail one right now in multiple cities. And in my own car, I use it every day and have for 2+ years. For the $3k I paid in 2019, I definitely got what I ", "context": "Tesla owner, uses it daily for 2+ years", "use_case": "self-driving commute", "switched_from": "", "story": "Starbase, LA"}, {"id": 765023888, "item_id": 47813993, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47813993", "by": "enslavedrobot", "date": "2026-04-18", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "It regularly drives me for my entire commute with no interventions.", "excerpt": "I have HW3 in Canada and I use FSD everyday. It regularly drives me for my entire commute with no interventions. The fact that FSD in Europe has been massively delayed is mostly the fault of regulators. Sad but true.", "context": "HW3 owner in Canada", "use_case": "daily commute driving", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tesla tells HW3 owner to 'be patient' after 7 years of waiting for FSD"}, {"id": 798044336, "item_id": 49877771, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49877771", "by": "ronnier", "date": "2026-09-28", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Fsd is amazing.  I use it daily", "excerpt": "Fsd is amazing. I use it daily, it completely changed my daily drive in that I don\u2019t. All of my driving is now on fsd, I sit back and chill while the car takes me to my destination.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily driving", "switched_from": "", "story": "SpaceX's Starship launching to orbit for first time ever today"}]}, {"label": "Improves over time", "summary": "Long-time owners say it has gotten much better with each update.", "quotes": [{"id": 804672480, "item_id": 50292030, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50292030", "by": "whall6", "date": "2026-10-29", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use FSD every day and it drives much much safer than I would.", "excerpt": "This response is half a decade old. I use FSD every day and it drives much much safer than I would. I've owned my Tesla for less than 2 years and it improves further with every update.", "context": "Tesla owner for under 2 years", "use_case": "driving", "switched_from": "", "story": "I went to Mexico to test-drive the cars Americans can\u2019t buy"}, {"id": 791049088, "item_id": 49440568, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49440568", "by": "DarmokJalad1701", "date": "2026-08-25", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "It drives me to and from work every day without having to so much as touch the wheel.", "excerpt": "> And the AMAZING hyperloop Wow! Was there a Musk company dedicated to building that? Where is the press release announcing it? Surely it must have been a big deal if you are so excited about it's failure! > And FSD is coming next year now It is already here. You can hail one right now in multiple cities. And in my own car, I use it every day and have for 2+ years. For the $3k I paid in 2019, I definitely got what I ", "context": "Tesla owner, uses it daily for 2+ years", "use_case": "self-driving commute", "switched_from": "", "story": "Starbase, LA"}, {"id": 794311328, "item_id": 49644458, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49644458", "by": "GMoromisato", "date": "2026-09-10", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "now that it is so good, I end up using it on any trip that I nav", "excerpt": "I used to think that I would only use FSD on long trips, where it's tiring, but now that it is so good, I end up using it on any trip that I nav (restaurants, stores, etc.). And since I can't look at my phone (or sleep or read) I just sit there and think. It's surprisingly relaxing and I didn't realize how much I would appreciate it.", "context": "", "use_case": "driving assistance", "switched_from": "", "story": "Rivian's gambit for full autonomy"}]}, {"label": "No equivalent", "summary": "Several owners say no other car they can buy offers a comparable feature.", "quotes": [{"id": 802136560, "item_id": 50133535, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50133535", "by": "drenvuk", "date": "2026-10-17", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "there is literally no better ownable self driving car than a tesla", "excerpt": "hater. i use it to go work every day while programming or scheduling things or reading and replying to emails in the car. no issues. today, right now, on this date there is literally no better ownable self driving car than a tesla. there need to be more. i will not buy a car without self driving again.", "context": "daily Tesla driver", "use_case": "daily commute driving", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tesla Roadster"}, {"id": 782890512, "item_id": 48930657, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48930657", "by": "modeless", "date": "2026-07-15", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Today I used it for more than an hour around town. It's amazing.", "excerpt": "Yeah, I bought it in 2018 with full knowledge that it would be many years before it worked at all. Today I used it for more than an hour around town. It's amazing. I won't buy any car without an equivalent feature in the future. And today there's nothing equivalent in any other car you can buy.", "context": "bought in 2018", "use_case": "driving assistance", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok Build Is OSS"}]}, {"label": "Safety", "summary": "Some owners say it drives more safely than they would.", "quotes": [{"id": 804672480, "item_id": 50292030, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50292030", "by": "whall6", "date": "2026-10-29", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use FSD every day and it drives much much safer than I would.", "excerpt": "This response is half a decade old. I use FSD every day and it drives much much safer than I would. I've owned my Tesla for less than 2 years and it improves further with every update.", "context": "Tesla owner for under 2 years", "use_case": "driving", "switched_from": "", "story": "I went to Mexico to test-drive the cars Americans can\u2019t buy"}, {"id": 732991696, "item_id": 45811981, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45811981", "by": "BurritoKing", "date": "2025-11-04", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I love FSD, I use it for 99% of my driving, and when it's working right it's an incredibly technology that overall makes my driving safer", "excerpt": "As a massive advocate of FSD (and someone who's currently running 14.1.4, their very latest FSD build) it is absolutely in no way ready for unsupervised FSD. It still makes silly mistakes, and the latest build is terrified of leaves and will swerve across lane dividers to desperately avoid a leaf blowing into it's path. I love FSD, I use it for 99% of my driving, and when it's working right it's an incredibly technol", "context": "FSD user running 14.1.4", "use_case": "driving assistance", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tesla's \u2018Robotaxis' Keep Crashing\u2014Even With Human \u2018Safety Monitors' Onboard"}]}, {"label": "Relaxing drives", "summary": "Users say letting it drive makes trips more relaxing.", "quotes": [{"id": 794311328, "item_id": 49644458, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49644458", "by": "GMoromisato", "date": "2026-09-10", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "now that it is so good, I end up using it on any trip that I nav", "excerpt": "I used to think that I would only use FSD on long trips, where it's tiring, but now that it is so good, I end up using it on any trip that I nav (restaurants, stores, etc.). And since I can't look at my phone (or sleep or read) I just sit there and think. It's surprisingly relaxing and I didn't realize how much I would appreciate it.", "context": "", "use_case": "driving assistance", "switched_from": "", "story": "Rivian's gambit for full autonomy"}, {"id": 798044336, "item_id": 49877771, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49877771", "by": "ronnier", "date": "2026-09-28", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Fsd is amazing.  I use it daily", "excerpt": "Fsd is amazing. I use it daily, it completely changed my daily drive in that I don\u2019t. All of my driving is now on fsd, I sit back and chill while the car takes me to my destination.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily driving", "switched_from": "", "story": "SpaceX's Starship launching to orbit for first time ever today"}]}, {"label": "Navigation", "summary": "One user says it handles complex routes and unfamiliar areas better than they do.", "quotes": [{"id": 783080016, "item_id": 48942501, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48942501", "by": "maxdo", "date": "2026-07-16", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "it's FSD knows better where to turn vs myself in unfamiliar area", "excerpt": "huh? it's not half, and it has speed, speed limit and other items in the same area. Car is usable, i use it to open trunk frunk and check the status the door/trunk. I'll tell you more , that type of visualisation exists in almost every single modern car. their navigation is just the best not sure what problem are you talking, it's FSD knows better where to turn vs myself in unfamiliar area. I do have less miss exists", "context": "", "use_case": "driving and navigation", "switched_from": "", "story": "My car's OTA update broke Android Auto, and it's a indictment of modern software"}]}], "caveats": [{"label": "Needs supervision", "summary": "It is not autonomous and requires an alert, engaged driver.", "quotes": [{"id": 800449680, "item_id": 50028105, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50028105", "by": "SpicyLemonZest", "date": "2026-10-10", "stance": "warn", "quote": "The idea that you can safely turn on FSD without being actively alert and engaged seems to be entirely a social media hallucination from Tesla fans.", "excerpt": "Tesla does not have point to point autonomous driving. They state in their own marketing material, https://www.tesla.com/fsd, that \"Currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous.\" I used to blame Elon Musk for this, but while he's made a number of over-optimistic predictions, as far as I can tell even he doesn't claim that FSD is currently autonomous. The idea tha", "context": "", "use_case": "driver assistance", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tesla Rebrands Full Self-Driving as Tesla Assisted Driving in Europe"}, {"id": 732991696, "item_id": 45811981, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45811981", "by": "BurritoKing", "date": "2025-11-04", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I love FSD, I use it for 99% of my driving, and when it's working right it's an incredibly technology that overall makes my driving safer", "excerpt": "As a massive advocate of FSD (and someone who's currently running 14.1.4, their very latest FSD build) it is absolutely in no way ready for unsupervised FSD. It still makes silly mistakes, and the latest build is terrified of leaves and will swerve across lane dividers to desperately avoid a leaf blowing into it's path. I love FSD, I use it for 99% of my driving, and when it's working right it's an incredibly technol", "context": "FSD user running 14.1.4", "use_case": "driving assistance", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tesla's \u2018Robotaxis' Keep Crashing\u2014Even With Human \u2018Safety Monitors' Onboard"}, {"id": 804754192, "item_id": 50297137, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50297137", "by": "cryptoegorophy", "date": "2026-10-29", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I use FSD in Tesla a lot and there is a lot of times I \"override\" with the gas pedal because I think it phantom breaks or being slow", "excerpt": "oh man, the override thing is super dangerous. I use FSD in Tesla a lot and there is a lot of times I \"override\" with the gas pedal because I think it phantom breaks or being slow and there were at least 2 cases where there was legitimate reason to stop (person crossing in my blind spot).", "context": "Tesla driver", "use_case": "driving assistance", "switched_from": "", "story": "What we know so far about Spain train crash"}]}, {"label": "Version regressions", "summary": "Behavior can regress between versions, including parking and lane-change issues.", "quotes": [{"id": 801955808, "item_id": 50122238, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50122238", "by": "FeloniousHam", "date": "2026-10-16", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use \"full self driving\" every day!", "excerpt": "I hope not, I use \"full self driving\" every day! I'm sure your statement is based extensive experience, but mine is that for 2 1/2 years over 40k miles, it has worked very well. Not perfect (parking spot selection has frequent regressions), but astonishingly well.", "context": "2.5 years, 40k miles", "use_case": "daily driving", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tesla Roadster"}, {"id": 785202144, "item_id": 49075134, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49075134", "by": "qwerpy", "date": "2026-07-27", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I came to my own conclusion which is that FSD is ready for my everyday needs.", "excerpt": "Good points about the stats. I know the answers to some of those questions, but at some point it's so hard to get apples to apples comparisons for these things. So I did a \"paranoid super-supervised\" usage of FSD for a year or two to learn its failure modes and get used to its reliability or lack thereof. Then combined with the (allegedly truthful) FSD stats, I came to my own conclusion which is that FSD is ready for", "context": "Tesla owner in Orange County", "use_case": "everyday driving", "switched_from": "", "story": "What is happening to jobs? Separating AI hype from reality"}, {"id": 758616832, "item_id": 47413552, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47413552", "by": "x187463", "date": "2026-03-17", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "It's an unbelievable driver-assistance system.", "excerpt": "It would be great to have some useful information about the failure condition for FSD in this situation but the author provides essentially nothing. > The car was making a turn. Something felt off\u2014the steering wheel jerked one way, then the other, and the car decelerated in a way I didn\u2019t expect. I use the latest FSD in an M3 and I have noticed it behave indecisively when changing lanes, not so much when turning, but", "context": "uses the latest FSD in an M3", "use_case": "driver assistance", "switched_from": "", "story": "My Self-Driving Car Crash \u2013 The Tesla was driving perfectly\u2013until it wasn't"}]}, {"label": "Odd behavior", "summary": "Users report phantom braking, hesitation and swerving to avoid harmless objects.", "quotes": [{"id": 804754192, "item_id": 50297137, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50297137", "by": "cryptoegorophy", "date": "2026-10-29", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I use FSD in Tesla a lot and there is a lot of times I \"override\" with the gas pedal because I think it phantom breaks or being slow", "excerpt": "oh man, the override thing is super dangerous. I use FSD in Tesla a lot and there is a lot of times I \"override\" with the gas pedal because I think it phantom breaks or being slow and there were at least 2 cases where there was legitimate reason to stop (person crossing in my blind spot).", "context": "Tesla driver", "use_case": "driving assistance", "switched_from": "", "story": "What we know so far about Spain train crash"}, {"id": 732991696, "item_id": 45811981, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45811981", "by": "BurritoKing", "date": "2025-11-04", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I love FSD, I use it for 99% of my driving, and when it's working right it's an incredibly technology that overall makes my driving safer", "excerpt": "As a massive advocate of FSD (and someone who's currently running 14.1.4, their very latest FSD build) it is absolutely in no way ready for unsupervised FSD. It still makes silly mistakes, and the latest build is terrified of leaves and will swerve across lane dividers to desperately avoid a leaf blowing into it's path. I love FSD, I use it for 99% of my driving, and when it's working right it's an incredibly technol", "context": "FSD user running 14.1.4", "use_case": "driving assistance", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tesla's \u2018Robotaxis' Keep Crashing\u2014Even With Human \u2018Safety Monitors' Onboard"}]}, {"label": "Subscription pricing", "summary": "Moving features behind a $99/month subscription drew criticism.", "quotes": [{"id": 747840944, "item_id": 46740059, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46740059", "by": "nunez", "date": "2026-01-23", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I love FSD, but this is awful.", "excerpt": "I love FSD, but this is awful. Given that this is almost certainly being done to juice the FSD subscriber count so that Elon hits his 10M sub target, I'd even go as far as to say that this is legally questionable. Also, this move is beyond stupid IMO. Autopilot is Tesla's ONLY moat now that their Supercharger network is open to everyone. Gating that behind a $99/mo sub is guaranteed to make buyers shop elsewhere, esp", "context": "", "use_case": "driving assistance", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee"}, {"id": 747810832, "item_id": 46738177, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46738177", "by": "ehfeng", "date": "2026-01-23", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I would 100% buy the FSD subscription.", "excerpt": "I've been using Autopilot for years, but recently subscribed to FSD for a long weekend roadtrip. It changed my mind on the value of FSD. While unfortunate for consumers, it cleans up the offerings. For four years, I didn't buy FSD because Autopilot was good enough to cover highway driving and I couldn't justify $99/month for the \"last mile\". If you strip out Autopilot and given the latest FSD, I would 100% buy the FS", "context": "Tesla owner", "use_case": "driving assistance", "switched_from": "Autopilot", "story": "Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee"}]}, {"label": "Regional limits", "summary": "Availability lags outside supported countries, and one owner lost features they had paid for.", "quotes": [{"id": 777307664, "item_id": 48581729, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48581729", "by": "bartoszhernas", "date": "2026-06-17", "stance": "warn", "quote": "they removed non-connected safety features that they charged me for. STOP signs recognition is gone from my car", "excerpt": "Sure, but I never accepted any conditions for that. You also missed the point where they removed non-connected safety features that they charged me for. STOP signs recognition is gone from my car, something I used to depend on while driving in non-FSD country. This was part of 8000EUR package. Poof, gone, no refund, no communication from Tesla. If they put in TOS that they can brick the car fully if you insult Elon, ", "context": "Tesla owner outside FSD-supported country", "use_case": "driver assistance", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tesla remotely disabled the \u20ac6,200 FSD feature I had used for months"}, {"id": 765023888, "item_id": 47813993, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47813993", "by": "enslavedrobot", "date": "2026-04-18", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "It regularly drives me for my entire commute with no interventions.", "excerpt": "I have HW3 in Canada and I use FSD everyday. It regularly drives me for my entire commute with no interventions. The fact that FSD in Europe has been massively delayed is mostly the fault of regulators. Sad but true.", "context": "HW3 owner in Canada", "use_case": "daily commute driving", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tesla tells HW3 owner to 'be patient' after 7 years of waiting for FSD"}]}, {"label": "Unmet promises", "summary": "Some commenters say the promised full self-driving still hasn't been delivered.", "quotes": [{"id": 802270640, "item_id": 50141915, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50141915", "by": "bamboozled", "date": "2026-10-18", "stance": "warn", "quote": "the FSD feature still hasn't been delivered", "excerpt": "I love that the FSD feature still hasn't been delivered while they're demonstrating they're next idiotic product idea / stunt...no one mentions it.", "context": "", "use_case": "self-driving", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tesla 'Cannot Guarantee' Roadster Reservation Holders Will Ever Get a Car"}, {"id": 788888176, "item_id": 49305511, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49305511", "by": "solid_fuel", "date": "2026-08-14", "stance": "warn", "quote": "It definitely won't ram you into a brick wall.", "excerpt": "Oh that's great news! I recommend relying on it fully, take a nap while you're riding. Just let the tesla do what it will. After all, you were sold full self driving. It definitely won't ram you into a brick wall. Or maybe it will, but that's just natural selection really.", "context": "", "use_case": "self-driving", "switched_from": "", "story": "Cursor Is Joining SpaceX"}]}], "who": [{"by": "cryptoegorophy", "context": "Tesla driver", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50297137", "date": "2026-10-29"}, {"by": "whall6", "context": "Tesla owner for under 2 years", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50292030", "date": "2026-10-29"}, {"by": "drenvuk", "context": "daily Tesla driver", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50133535", "date": "2026-10-17"}, {"by": "frankacter", "context": "Tesla owner", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50127813", "date": "2026-10-17"}, {"by": "FeloniousHam", "context": "2.5 years, 40k miles", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50122238", "date": "2026-10-16"}, {"by": "DarmokJalad1701", "context": "Tesla owner, uses it daily for 2+ years", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49440568", "date": "2026-08-25"}, {"by": "qwerpy", "context": "Tesla owner in Orange County", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49075134", "date": "2026-07-27"}, {"by": "modeless", "context": "bought in 2018", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48930657", "date": "2026-07-15"}, {"by": "enslavedrobot", "context": "HW3 owner in Canada", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47813993", "date": "2026-04-18"}, {"by": "x187463", "context": "uses the latest FSD in an M3", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47413552", "date": "2026-03-17"}, {"by": "ehfeng", "context": "Tesla owner", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46738177", "date": "2026-01-23"}, {"by": "BurritoKing", "context": "FSD user running 14.1.4", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45811981", "date": "2025-11-04"}], "tags": ["for daily commuters", "for Tesla owners", "for road trips"], "use_cases": ["driving assistance", "daily driving", "driver assistance", "self-driving", "daily commute driving", "driving"], "compared": [], "makers": [], "threads": [{"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50112657", "title": "Tesla Roadster", "mentions": 3}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46736683", "title": "Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee", "mentions": 2}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50286197", "title": "What we know so far about Spain train crash", "mentions": 1}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50290668", "title": "I went to Mexico to test-drive the cars Americans can\u2019t buy", "mentions": 1}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50141295", "title": "Tesla 'Cannot Guarantee' Roadster Reservation Holders Will Ever Get a Car", "mentions": 1}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50023065", "title": "Tesla Rebrands Full Self-Driving as Tesla Assisted Driving in Europe", "mentions": 1}], "sentiment_by_month": {"2025-11": {"recommend": 1}, "2025-12": {}, "2026-01": {"recommend": 2}, "2026-02": {}, "2026-03": {"recommend": 1}, "2026-04": {"recommend": 1}, "2026-05": {}, "2026-06": {"warn": 1}, "2026-07": {"recommend": 3}, "2026-08": {"warn": 1, "recommend": 1}, "2026-09": {"recommend": 2}, "2026-10": {"warn": 2, "recommend": 4, "neutral": 1}}, "quotes": [{"id": 804754192, "item_id": 50297137, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50297137", "by": "cryptoegorophy", "date": "2026-10-29", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I use FSD in Tesla a lot and there is a lot of times I \"override\" with the gas pedal because I think it phantom breaks or being slow", "excerpt": "oh man, the override thing is super dangerous. I use FSD in Tesla a lot and there is a lot of times I \"override\" with the gas pedal because I think it phantom breaks or being slow and there were at least 2 cases where there was legitimate reason to stop (person crossing in my blind spot).", "context": "Tesla driver", "use_case": "driving assistance", "switched_from": "", "story": "What we know so far about Spain train crash"}, {"id": 804672480, "item_id": 50292030, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50292030", "by": "whall6", "date": "2026-10-29", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use FSD every day and it drives much much safer than I would.", "excerpt": "This response is half a decade old. I use FSD every day and it drives much much safer than I would. I've owned my Tesla for less than 2 years and it improves further with every update.", "context": "Tesla owner for under 2 years", "use_case": "driving", "switched_from": "", "story": "I went to Mexico to test-drive the cars Americans can\u2019t buy"}, {"id": 802270640, "item_id": 50141915, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50141915", "by": "bamboozled", "date": "2026-10-18", "stance": "warn", "quote": "the FSD feature still hasn't been delivered", "excerpt": "I love that the FSD feature still hasn't been delivered while they're demonstrating they're next idiotic product idea / stunt...no one mentions it.", "context": "", "use_case": "self-driving", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tesla 'Cannot Guarantee' Roadster Reservation Holders Will Ever Get a Car"}, {"id": 802136560, "item_id": 50133535, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50133535", "by": "drenvuk", "date": "2026-10-17", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "there is literally no better ownable self driving car than a tesla", "excerpt": "hater. i use it to go work every day while programming or scheduling things or reading and replying to emails in the car. no issues. today, right now, on this date there is literally no better ownable self driving car than a tesla. there need to be more. i will not buy a car without self driving again.", "context": "daily Tesla driver", "use_case": "daily commute driving", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tesla Roadster"}, {"id": 802045008, "item_id": 50127813, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50127813", "by": "frankacter", "date": "2026-10-17", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I'll preface this that I'm nearing 99% FSD on my Tesla", "excerpt": ">Whether it's the automatic charging cable snake, or your car picking you up and dropping you off at the airport, or renting out your car as a self driving ride share While I can appreciate, and he has joked publicly about having \"pathological optimism,\" that he is more aggressive with timelines than the reality of the alignment between technology, practicality (cost, etc.), and regulations, most of what you have lis", "context": "Tesla owner", "use_case": "daily driving", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tesla Roadster"}, {"id": 801955808, "item_id": 50122238, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50122238", "by": "FeloniousHam", "date": "2026-10-16", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use \"full self driving\" every day!", "excerpt": "I hope not, I use \"full self driving\" every day! I'm sure your statement is based extensive experience, but mine is that for 2 1/2 years over 40k miles, it has worked very well. Not perfect (parking spot selection has frequent regressions), but astonishingly well.", "context": "2.5 years, 40k miles", "use_case": "daily driving", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tesla Roadster"}, {"id": 800449680, "item_id": 50028105, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50028105", "by": "SpicyLemonZest", "date": "2026-10-10", "stance": "warn", "quote": "The idea that you can safely turn on FSD without being actively alert and engaged seems to be entirely a social media hallucination from Tesla fans.", "excerpt": "Tesla does not have point to point autonomous driving. They state in their own marketing material, https://www.tesla.com/fsd, that \"Currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous.\" I used to blame Elon Musk for this, but while he's made a number of over-optimistic predictions, as far as I can tell even he doesn't claim that FSD is currently autonomous. The idea tha", "context": "", "use_case": "driver assistance", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tesla Rebrands Full Self-Driving as Tesla Assisted Driving in Europe"}, {"id": 798044336, "item_id": 49877771, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49877771", "by": "ronnier", "date": "2026-09-28", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Fsd is amazing.  I use it daily", "excerpt": "Fsd is amazing. I use it daily, it completely changed my daily drive in that I don\u2019t. All of my driving is now on fsd, I sit back and chill while the car takes me to my destination.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily driving", "switched_from": "", "story": "SpaceX's Starship launching to orbit for first time ever today"}, {"id": 794311328, "item_id": 49644458, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49644458", "by": "GMoromisato", "date": "2026-09-10", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "now that it is so good, I end up using it on any trip that I nav", "excerpt": "I used to think that I would only use FSD on long trips, where it's tiring, but now that it is so good, I end up using it on any trip that I nav (restaurants, stores, etc.). And since I can't look at my phone (or sleep or read) I just sit there and think. It's surprisingly relaxing and I didn't realize how much I would appreciate it.", "context": "", "use_case": "driving assistance", "switched_from": "", "story": "Rivian's gambit for full autonomy"}, {"id": 791049088, "item_id": 49440568, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49440568", "by": "DarmokJalad1701", "date": "2026-08-25", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "It drives me to and from work every day without having to so much as touch the wheel.", "excerpt": "> And the AMAZING hyperloop Wow! Was there a Musk company dedicated to building that? Where is the press release announcing it? Surely it must have been a big deal if you are so excited about it's failure! > And FSD is coming next year now It is already here. You can hail one right now in multiple cities. And in my own car, I use it every day and have for 2+ years. For the $3k I paid in 2019, I definitely got what I ", "context": "Tesla owner, uses it daily for 2+ years", "use_case": "self-driving commute", "switched_from": "", "story": "Starbase, LA"}, {"id": 788888176, "item_id": 49305511, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49305511", "by": "solid_fuel", "date": "2026-08-14", "stance": "warn", "quote": "It definitely won't ram you into a brick wall.", "excerpt": "Oh that's great news! I recommend relying on it fully, take a nap while you're riding. Just let the tesla do what it will. After all, you were sold full self driving. It definitely won't ram you into a brick wall. Or maybe it will, but that's just natural selection really.", "context": "", "use_case": "self-driving", "switched_from": "", "story": "Cursor Is Joining SpaceX"}, {"id": 785202144, "item_id": 49075134, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49075134", "by": "qwerpy", "date": "2026-07-27", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I came to my own conclusion which is that FSD is ready for my everyday needs.", "excerpt": "Good points about the stats. I know the answers to some of those questions, but at some point it's so hard to get apples to apples comparisons for these things. So I did a \"paranoid super-supervised\" usage of FSD for a year or two to learn its failure modes and get used to its reliability or lack thereof. Then combined with the (allegedly truthful) FSD stats, I came to my own conclusion which is that FSD is ready for", "context": "Tesla owner in Orange County", "use_case": "everyday driving", "switched_from": "", "story": "What is happening to jobs? Separating AI hype from reality"}, {"id": 783080016, "item_id": 48942501, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48942501", "by": "maxdo", "date": "2026-07-16", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "it's FSD knows better where to turn vs myself in unfamiliar area", "excerpt": "huh? it's not half, and it has speed, speed limit and other items in the same area. Car is usable, i use it to open trunk frunk and check the status the door/trunk. I'll tell you more , that type of visualisation exists in almost every single modern car. their navigation is just the best not sure what problem are you talking, it's FSD knows better where to turn vs myself in unfamiliar area. I do have less miss exists", "context": "", "use_case": "driving and navigation", "switched_from": "", "story": "My car's OTA update broke Android Auto, and it's a indictment of modern software"}, {"id": 782890512, "item_id": 48930657, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48930657", "by": "modeless", "date": "2026-07-15", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Today I used it for more than an hour around town. It's amazing.", "excerpt": "Yeah, I bought it in 2018 with full knowledge that it would be many years before it worked at all. Today I used it for more than an hour around town. It's amazing. I won't buy any car without an equivalent feature in the future. And today there's nothing equivalent in any other car you can buy.", "context": "bought in 2018", "use_case": "driving assistance", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok Build Is OSS"}, {"id": 777307664, "item_id": 48581729, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48581729", "by": "bartoszhernas", "date": "2026-06-17", "stance": "warn", "quote": "they removed non-connected safety features that they charged me for. STOP signs recognition is gone from my car", "excerpt": "Sure, but I never accepted any conditions for that. You also missed the point where they removed non-connected safety features that they charged me for. STOP signs recognition is gone from my car, something I used to depend on while driving in non-FSD country. This was part of 8000EUR package. Poof, gone, no refund, no communication from Tesla. If they put in TOS that they can brick the car fully if you insult Elon, ", "context": "Tesla owner outside FSD-supported country", "use_case": "driver assistance", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tesla remotely disabled the \u20ac6,200 FSD feature I had used for months"}, {"id": 765023888, "item_id": 47813993, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47813993", "by": "enslavedrobot", "date": "2026-04-18", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "It regularly drives me for my entire commute with no interventions.", "excerpt": "I have HW3 in Canada and I use FSD everyday. It regularly drives me for my entire commute with no interventions. The fact that FSD in Europe has been massively delayed is mostly the fault of regulators. Sad but true.", "context": "HW3 owner in Canada", "use_case": "daily commute driving", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tesla tells HW3 owner to 'be patient' after 7 years of waiting for FSD"}, {"id": 758616832, "item_id": 47413552, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47413552", "by": "x187463", "date": "2026-03-17", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "It's an unbelievable driver-assistance system.", "excerpt": "It would be great to have some useful information about the failure condition for FSD in this situation but the author provides essentially nothing. > The car was making a turn. Something felt off\u2014the steering wheel jerked one way, then the other, and the car decelerated in a way I didn\u2019t expect. I use the latest FSD in an M3 and I have noticed it behave indecisively when changing lanes, not so much when turning, but", "context": "uses the latest FSD in an M3", "use_case": "driver assistance", "switched_from": "", "story": "My Self-Driving Car Crash \u2013 The Tesla was driving perfectly\u2013until it wasn't"}, {"id": 747840944, "item_id": 46740059, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46740059", "by": "nunez", "date": "2026-01-23", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I love FSD, but this is awful.", "excerpt": "I love FSD, but this is awful. Given that this is almost certainly being done to juice the FSD subscriber count so that Elon hits his 10M sub target, I'd even go as far as to say that this is legally questionable. Also, this move is beyond stupid IMO. Autopilot is Tesla's ONLY moat now that their Supercharger network is open to everyone. Gating that behind a $99/mo sub is guaranteed to make buyers shop elsewhere, esp", "context": "", "use_case": "driving assistance", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee"}, {"id": 747810832, "item_id": 46738177, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46738177", "by": "ehfeng", "date": "2026-01-23", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I would 100% buy the FSD subscription.", "excerpt": "I've been using Autopilot for years, but recently subscribed to FSD for a long weekend roadtrip. It changed my mind on the value of FSD. While unfortunate for consumers, it cleans up the offerings. For four years, I didn't buy FSD because Autopilot was good enough to cover highway driving and I couldn't justify $99/month for the \"last mile\". If you strip out Autopilot and given the latest FSD, I would 100% buy the FS", "context": "Tesla owner", "use_case": "driving assistance", "switched_from": "Autopilot", "story": "Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee"}, {"id": 732991696, "item_id": 45811981, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45811981", "by": "BurritoKing", "date": "2025-11-04", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I love FSD, I use it for 99% of my driving, and when it's working right it's an incredibly technology that overall makes my driving safer", "excerpt": "As a massive advocate of FSD (and someone who's currently running 14.1.4, their very latest FSD build) it is absolutely in no way ready for unsupervised FSD. It still makes silly mistakes, and the latest build is terrified of leaves and will swerve across lane dividers to desperately avoid a leaf blowing into it's path. I love FSD, I use it for 99% of my driving, and when it's working right it's an incredibly technol", "context": "FSD user running 14.1.4", "use_case": "driving assistance", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tesla's \u2018Robotaxis' Keep Crashing\u2014Even With Human \u2018Safety Monitors' Onboard"}]}