{"slug": "safari", "name": "Safari", "category": "browsers", "category_name": "Browsers and extensions", "description": "Apple's built-in web browser for macOS, iOS and iPadOS, based on the WebKit engine.", "recommenders": 39, "commenters": 97, "warners": 25, "score": 20.645, "rising": 14.78, "first": "2025-11-11", "latest": "2026-10-22", "why": "Liked for tight Apple-ecosystem integration and sync, speed and battery efficiency, and rarely hitting broken sites in daily use.", "why_is_quote": false, "has_verdict": true, "sentiment": {"recommend": 41, "neutral": 33, "compare": 5, "warn": 26}, "spark": [2, 1, 1, 3, 2, 1, 1, 5, 4, 6, 4, 11], "listed": true, "loved": ["Apple integration", "Speed & battery"], "caveat": "Web compatibility", "short_quote": "Safari because of the seamless integration with Apple platform features and because it is the most energy efficient browser", "icon": false, "domain": "wpt.fyi", "github_repo": null, "official_url": "https://www.apple.com/safari/", "pricing": "free", "aliases": ["Safari"], "verdict": [{"text": "Liked for tight Apple-ecosystem integration and sync,", "cites": [{"id": 801368832, "item_id": 50085552, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50085552", "by": "fredsted", "date": "2026-10-14", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "It's always been fast and smooth, and the integration - like password sync and SMS 2FA keys - works great.", "excerpt": "I've used Safari since I switched to Mac in 2009. It's always been fast and smooth, and the integration - like password sync and SMS 2FA keys - works great.", "context": "Mac user since 2009", "use_case": "daily browsing on Mac", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple: Switch to Safari (From Chrome)"}, {"id": 798481745, "item_id": 49905109, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49905109", "by": "thiht", "date": "2026-09-30", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use Safari because it syncs well between macOS and iOS", "excerpt": "I use Safari and Arc because they\u2019re both innovative in ways that\u2019s not matched by open source counterparts. I tried ditching Arc for Zen, but it just doesn\u2019t have the same level of polish. It feels like a copycat, which it is. I hope it gets better with time so that I can switch to it some day but it\u2019s not there yet. They should be able to match Arc though since it\u2019s development is stopped. I use Safari because it s", "context": "", "use_case": "web browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "The new Firefox design is here"}, {"id": 788583824, "item_id": 49286489, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49286489", "by": "stalfosknight", "date": "2026-08-13", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Safari because of the seamless integration with Apple platform features and because it is the most energy efficient browser", "excerpt": "Safari because of the seamless integration with Apple platform features and because it is the most energy efficient browser while still being the most performant. It\u2019s the best of all worlds.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: What browser do you use?"}, {"id": 801441248, "item_id": 50090078, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50090078", "by": "SirMaster", "date": "2026-10-14", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I would definitely use Safari on Windows cause I trust Apple more with Privacy", "excerpt": "With what Google has been doing to Chrome, and given that I use iOS, I would definitely use Safari on Windows cause I trust Apple more with Privacy, plus the session/tabs/auth/bookmark/applepay etc integration between my phone and Windows laptop/desktop would be great!", "context": "iOS user with Windows laptop/desktop", "use_case": "browsing with iPhone integration", "switched_from": "Chrome", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}]}, {"text": " speed and battery efficiency,", "cites": [{"id": 801355008, "item_id": 50084688, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50084688", "by": "azuanrb", "date": "2026-10-14", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use Safari because it\u2019s fast and battery efficient.", "excerpt": "Hold back Chrome standards, you mean? Features that work in Chrome but not in other browsers. There are even features that work better in Safari than Firefox. Not everything Chrome pushes should automatically become the standard. Personally, I don\u2019t care about most of those Chrome specific features. I use Safari because it\u2019s fast and battery efficient. The fact that it\u2019s not made by a company whose main business is a", "context": "", "use_case": "browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 788583824, "item_id": 49286489, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49286489", "by": "stalfosknight", "date": "2026-08-13", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Safari because of the seamless integration with Apple platform features and because it is the most energy efficient browser", "excerpt": "Safari because of the seamless integration with Apple platform features and because it is the most energy efficient browser while still being the most performant. It\u2019s the best of all worlds.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: What browser do you use?"}, {"id": 801369536, "item_id": 50085596, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50085596", "by": "B4uler5", "date": "2026-10-14", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Safari is a highly capable browser, light weight, great performance on both iphone and mac", "excerpt": "I switched from Firefox on macos and ios about a year ago when things started to get a bit weird with Mozilla. Safari is a highly capable browser, light weight, great performance on both iphone and mac, and is just a really nice experience overall. If I could use it on linux and windows as well, I would.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily browsing on Mac and iPhone", "switched_from": "Firefox", "story": "Apple: Switch to Safari (From Chrome)"}]}, {"text": " and rarely hitting broken sites in daily use.", "cites": [{"id": 801227296, "item_id": 50076706, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50076706", "by": "lobf", "date": "2026-10-13", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I switched from Chrome to Safari about 5 years ago and can count the number of websites I\u2019ve had issues with on one hand", "excerpt": "Where do you run in to this? I switched from Chrome to Safari about 5 years ago and can count the number of websites I\u2019ve had issues with on one hand, I think.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily browsing", "switched_from": "Chrome", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 795227952, "item_id": 49701747, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49701747", "by": "doublepg23", "date": "2026-09-14", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I went to Safari from Firefox and I don't think I've run into a single compatibility issue.", "excerpt": "When I switched to macOS in '22 I went to Safari from Firefox and I don't think I've run into a single compatibility issue.", "context": "macOS user since 2022", "use_case": "main browser on macOS", "switched_from": "Firefox", "story": "iOS 27, iPadOS 27, and macOS 27"}, {"id": 798142064, "item_id": 49883879, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49883879", "by": "ok_dad", "date": "2026-09-28", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use it as my daily driver and rarely get issues related to unsupported APIs.", "excerpt": "Same but for Safari. I use it as my daily driver and rarely get issues related to unsupported APIs. Everything seems to work fine, the only issues I ever hit are related to the Apple VPN.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "I switched to Brave"}]}, {"text": " The most common complaint is that it lags behind Chrome on web features, so some sites render or work badly,", "cites": [{"id": 801313905, "item_id": 50082119, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50082119", "by": "bigyabai", "date": "2026-10-14", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Safari lags behind Chrome in features, WebKit lags behind Blink in cross-platform support", "excerpt": "Sure it's choice. I use Firefox on Linux; I have to forego a handful of websites, but nothing is a dealbreaker. YouTube works, Gmail works, my life isn't interrupted without Chrome installed. It sounds like your family is using Chrome because it's more convenient. It's 2026, we can't blame anyone given what Safari spent the past decade doing. Apple does not provide convenient Safari sync for Windows and Android devic", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 801224752, "item_id": 50076547, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50076547", "by": "zaphar", "date": "2026-10-13", "stance": "warn", "quote": "I use safari regularly and it has not really kept up.", "excerpt": "I use safari regularly and it has not really kept up. All kinds of stuff that is partly broken for rendering. Especially on heavily dynamic sites. Chrome at least works for any web standard which IE did not.", "context": "", "use_case": "web browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 801421521, "item_id": 50088845, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50088845", "by": "zaphar", "date": "2026-10-14", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Safari I definitely have.", "excerpt": "For what it's worth Firefox is my daily driver and I've never run into a site that was broken in it. Safari I definitely have.", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 798093425, "item_id": 49880839, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49880839", "by": "Capricorn2481", "date": "2026-09-28", "stance": "warn", "quote": "I have had wayyy more issues on Safari.", "excerpt": "The author has a lot to say about firefox [1]. I use it and don't really have problems. Maybe 1/200 sites works not as well. I have had wayyy more issues on Safari. It seems like most of their criticisms are a gut feeling of declining quality due to their intentions with AI. I don't love that, but the browser still works for me. What do other people think? [1] https://kevquirk.com/is-firefox-firefucked", "context": "", "use_case": "browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "I switched to Brave"}, {"id": 752430224, "item_id": 47026889, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47026889", "by": "jitbit", "date": "2026-02-15", "stance": "warn", "quote": "in Safari showModal for a dialog tag causes recalculating layout for EVERY element on a page, it\u2019s up to 59x slower than chromium", "excerpt": "I tried doing something like that in my app, and quickly discovered that some modern semantic/functional tags are STILL not supported in some browsers. Or work badly. For example, in Safari showModal for a dialog tag causes recalculating layout for EVERY element on a page, it\u2019s up to 59x slower than chromium\u2026. :( But I love the idea", "context": "", "use_case": "web browsing / dialogs", "switched_from": "", "story": "Oat \u2013 Ultra-lightweight, semantic, zero-dependency HTML UI component library"}]}, {"text": " and iOS users also report sluggishness and UI bugs.", "cites": [{"id": 777819968, "item_id": 48613748, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48613748", "by": "SoKamil", "date": "2026-06-20", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Safari is just so sluggish", "excerpt": "I'm an iOS user, but each time I use Android, I envy them their browser. Safari is just so sluggish - Chromium is snappier in comparison, has no scrolling or hitbox glitches, does not crash on heavier websites. I'm proponent of the open web so I hope this will encourage iOS's Safari to compete.", "context": "iOS user", "use_case": "mobile browsing on iOS", "switched_from": "", "story": "28% Faster: Blink Prototype That Shows Why Apple iOS Browser Engine Ban Must End"}, {"id": 782738017, "item_id": 48921126, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48921126", "by": "IAmGraydon", "date": "2026-07-15", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Safari on iOS, in particular, is very bad.", "excerpt": "iOS is definitely buggier. It used to be a silky smooth experience but it's degraded significantly in the last year or so. Safari on iOS, in particular, is very bad. Lots of problems in Adobe Creative Cloud on Win 11 (primarily Photoshop, InDesign, Illustrator) in recent months too.", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: Is it just me, or is software buggier across the board?"}, {"id": 782742417, "item_id": 48921401, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48921401", "by": "culopatin", "date": "2026-07-15", "stance": "warn", "quote": "the navbar in Safari sometimes is there, sometimes it\u2019s a blank rectangle", "excerpt": "Yes, I initially jumped from Android to iPhone back in 2019 or so because I felt like the experience was much more stable and it just worked, smooth, no issues, kinda boring but in a good adult way. Now every interaction makes me want to throw the phone out the window. If it\u2019s not just blank, the keyboard doesn\u2019t come up, the navbar in Safari sometimes is there, sometimes it\u2019s a blank rectangle, etc. \u201cask your develo", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: Is it just me, or is software buggier across the board?"}, {"id": 766746352, "item_id": 47921647, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47921647", "by": "jmyeet", "date": "2026-04-27", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Safari on iOS is a prime example of this.", "excerpt": "I will say that UI designers left to their own devices will tend to make change for the sake of change. And it's annoying. Safari on iOS is a prime example of this. I used to be able to switch from tabs to private browsing. Now I have to go through a tab groups abstraction that I didn't ask for, can't turn off and don't want. Want to open a new tab? Well, that too has gotten annoying. You have to tap near the bottom ", "context": "", "use_case": "mobile browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good"}]}], "praise": [{"label": "Apple integration", "summary": "Commenters value syncing passwords, tabs and 2FA codes across Mac, iPhone and other Apple features.", "quotes": [{"id": 801368832, "item_id": 50085552, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50085552", "by": "fredsted", "date": "2026-10-14", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "It's always been fast and smooth, and the integration - like password sync and SMS 2FA keys - works great.", "excerpt": "I've used Safari since I switched to Mac in 2009. It's always been fast and smooth, and the integration - like password sync and SMS 2FA keys - works great.", "context": "Mac user since 2009", "use_case": "daily browsing on Mac", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple: Switch to Safari (From Chrome)"}, {"id": 798481745, "item_id": 49905109, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49905109", "by": "thiht", "date": "2026-09-30", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use Safari because it syncs well between macOS and iOS", "excerpt": "I use Safari and Arc because they\u2019re both innovative in ways that\u2019s not matched by open source counterparts. I tried ditching Arc for Zen, but it just doesn\u2019t have the same level of polish. It feels like a copycat, which it is. I hope it gets better with time so that I can switch to it some day but it\u2019s not there yet. They should be able to match Arc though since it\u2019s development is stopped. I use Safari because it s", "context": "", "use_case": "web browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "The new Firefox design is here"}, {"id": 788583824, "item_id": 49286489, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49286489", "by": "stalfosknight", "date": "2026-08-13", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Safari because of the seamless integration with Apple platform features and because it is the most energy efficient browser", "excerpt": "Safari because of the seamless integration with Apple platform features and because it is the most energy efficient browser while still being the most performant. It\u2019s the best of all worlds.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: What browser do you use?"}]}, {"label": "Speed & battery", "summary": "Commenters describe it as fast, lightweight and battery efficient on Mac and iPhone.", "quotes": [{"id": 801355008, "item_id": 50084688, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50084688", "by": "azuanrb", "date": "2026-10-14", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use Safari because it\u2019s fast and battery efficient.", "excerpt": "Hold back Chrome standards, you mean? Features that work in Chrome but not in other browsers. There are even features that work better in Safari than Firefox. Not everything Chrome pushes should automatically become the standard. Personally, I don\u2019t care about most of those Chrome specific features. I use Safari because it\u2019s fast and battery efficient. The fact that it\u2019s not made by a company whose main business is a", "context": "", "use_case": "browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 801369536, "item_id": 50085596, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50085596", "by": "B4uler5", "date": "2026-10-14", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Safari is a highly capable browser, light weight, great performance on both iphone and mac", "excerpt": "I switched from Firefox on macos and ios about a year ago when things started to get a bit weird with Mozilla. Safari is a highly capable browser, light weight, great performance on both iphone and mac, and is just a really nice experience overall. If I could use it on linux and windows as well, I would.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily browsing on Mac and iPhone", "switched_from": "Firefox", "story": "Apple: Switch to Safari (From Chrome)"}, {"id": 801285505, "item_id": 50080344, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50080344", "by": "koinedad", "date": "2026-10-13", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use chrome for work but safari for personal and rarely see the same issue with safari", "excerpt": "Anecdotally I see significant out of memory issues with chrome on a regular basis. I use chrome for work but safari for personal and rarely see the same issue with safari if almost never.", "context": "", "use_case": "personal browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}]}, {"label": "Site compatibility", "summary": "Long-time users say they rarely or never hit sites that fail to work.", "quotes": [{"id": 801227296, "item_id": 50076706, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50076706", "by": "lobf", "date": "2026-10-13", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I switched from Chrome to Safari about 5 years ago and can count the number of websites I\u2019ve had issues with on one hand", "excerpt": "Where do you run in to this? I switched from Chrome to Safari about 5 years ago and can count the number of websites I\u2019ve had issues with on one hand, I think.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily browsing", "switched_from": "Chrome", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 795227952, "item_id": 49701747, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49701747", "by": "doublepg23", "date": "2026-09-14", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I went to Safari from Firefox and I don't think I've run into a single compatibility issue.", "excerpt": "When I switched to macOS in '22 I went to Safari from Firefox and I don't think I've run into a single compatibility issue.", "context": "macOS user since 2022", "use_case": "main browser on macOS", "switched_from": "Firefox", "story": "iOS 27, iPadOS 27, and macOS 27"}, {"id": 750741424, "item_id": 46921339, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46921339", "by": "ksec", "date": "2026-02-06", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I have been using Safari Full time for ~13 years already", "excerpt": "I have been using Safari Full time for ~13 years already, 2025 was the first time I felt Safari finally didn't have any quicks or rendering errors that Chrome and Firefox dont encounter. It is still the slowest browser though if you have more than 30 Tabs. I hope they wont reduce resource on Safari developement and continue to work on it.", "context": "full-time Safari user for 13 years", "use_case": "daily browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Interop 2025: A Year of Convergence"}]}, {"label": "Privacy & trust", "summary": "Some trust Apple more than Google with their browsing and like its secure defaults.", "quotes": [{"id": 801441248, "item_id": 50090078, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50090078", "by": "SirMaster", "date": "2026-10-14", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I would definitely use Safari on Windows cause I trust Apple more with Privacy", "excerpt": "With what Google has been doing to Chrome, and given that I use iOS, I would definitely use Safari on Windows cause I trust Apple more with Privacy, plus the session/tabs/auth/bookmark/applepay etc integration between my phone and Windows laptop/desktop would be great!", "context": "iOS user with Windows laptop/desktop", "use_case": "browsing with iPhone integration", "switched_from": "Chrome", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 793389970, "item_id": 49586873, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49586873", "by": "jmyeet", "date": "2026-09-06", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I trust Apple with Safari/iOS more than Google with Chrome/Android", "excerpt": "Google is playing a dangerous game here and I think it's going to bite them in the butt. First, some history. One thing that made Microsoft successful was a strategy called embrace, extend and extinguish (\"EEE\"). This is what they tried to do to Java back when it was believed that Java was a threat to Microsoft's platform monopoly since the Java mantra was \"write once, run anywhere\". Microsoft added all these proprie", "context": "", "use_case": "web browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "Chrome again exempts Google from user site data settings"}, {"id": 759654160, "item_id": 47478385, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47478385", "by": "ocdtrekkie", "date": "2026-03-22", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I very much appreciate the secure baseline Safari settles on.", "excerpt": "I very much appreciate the secure baseline Safari settles on. The entire ecosystem is protected by Safari being slow and reasonable. My only peeve is that Apple resets the feature flags with every update. So the one experimental feature I use I have to reenable each and every time I get a phone update.", "context": "", "use_case": "mobile browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple's intentional crippling of Mobile Safari continues"}]}, {"label": "Simplicity", "summary": "Users say it gets out of the way and does what it should without fuss.", "quotes": [{"id": 788636800, "item_id": 49289800, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49289800", "by": "al_borland", "date": "2026-08-13", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Safari is my main browser at home and has been pretty much since its inception. Periodically I go off and use Firefox", "excerpt": "Safari is my main browser at home and has been pretty much since its inception. Periodically I go off and use Firefox, Arch, and other such things, but I always come back to Safari. It just gets out of my way, while integrating a few quality of life features that normally end up as extensions in other browsers. My big gripe with Safari is the extensions being moved to the App Store. This creates a lot of unnecessary ", "context": "macOS user", "use_case": "main browser at home", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: What browser do you use?"}, {"id": 778407509, "item_id": 48650469, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48650469", "by": "kdtsh", "date": "2026-06-23", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Safari - does what it says on the tin and does it well, I like Safari", "excerpt": "Homebrew and mise-en-place are the only must have apps for me (both of which are not .app applications). Everything else is pretty well context-dependant and/or built in. For me, the better-than-you-think built in apps are: - Reminders - I haven\u2019t gone all in on any other task management software, but I don\u2019t bother because Reminders does everything I need - Mail - it is fiddly and idiot proof to a fault, but provide", "context": "", "use_case": "browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: New clean macOS install. Must-have apps? Best browser?"}, {"id": 788792672, "item_id": 49299542, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49299542", "by": "NarcisMirandes", "date": "2026-08-14", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Design, care for simplicity and detail", "excerpt": "1- Not Chrome. Chrome has an overwhelming dominance https://www.w3schools.com/browsers/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers So, I would try anything else just for that. Perhaps I am a contrarian. Perhaps I do not like Google products in general. 2- Safari. - For minorities. I like that - Design, care for simplicity and detail - Integration Apple ecosystem - Security - I read about the origin. Cr", "context": "", "use_case": "primary browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: What browser do you use?"}]}, {"label": "Built-in features", "summary": "Reader mode, Hide Distracting Items and Add to Dock web apps are praised.", "quotes": [{"id": 751871392, "item_id": 46991962, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46991962", "by": "kstrauser", "date": "2026-02-12", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "For Safari users, don\u2019t overlook that beautiful \u201cHide Distracting Items\u201d menu", "excerpt": "Very neat! For Safari users, don\u2019t overlook that beautiful \u201cHide Distracting Items\u201d menu which lets you block specific items elements on a per-site basis. Want to permanently hide a popover dialog? Hide it! Hide the comments section. Hide fog layers that obscure the content behind them. I use this all the time.", "context": "Safari user", "use_case": "blocking page elements per site", "switched_from": "", "story": "Shut Up: Comment Blocker"}, {"id": 759725104, "item_id": 47482819, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47482819", "by": "perardi", "date": "2026-03-22", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use Safari, and I have it set to automatically pop into Reader mode", "excerpt": "> Edit : Sorry I'm asking specifically about paywalled stuff Ah, you mean, like the NYTimes RSS feed. The NYTimes (and other paywall sites) only render the headline and one-sentence article summary. Like this: > Not All Malls Are Struggling > A certain type of shopping mall has become a surprising bright spot for real estate investors. You do not\u2026please correct me if I\u2019m wrong\u2026and cannot get a full-text RSS feed from", "context": "", "use_case": "reading paywalled news", "switched_from": "", "story": "PC Gamer Recommends RSS Readers in a 37MB Article That Just Keeps Downloading"}, {"id": 780830448, "item_id": 48801903, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48801903", "by": "dzhiurgis", "date": "2026-07-06", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Safari's Add to dock is decent start", "excerpt": "Writing on the wall is Apple needs to do something about it. Safari's Add to dock is decent start - I use it with Slack and Discord, but couldn't wait for Gemini and Anthropic to release their native apps (can't remember why). And of course once they did it was long wait for them to re-invent browser features.", "context": "", "use_case": "web apps in dock", "switched_from": "", "story": "Claude's Criminally Bad Electron Mac App Is an Inside Job"}]}], "caveats": [{"label": "Web compatibility", "summary": "Several commenters report broken sites and missing or slow web features compared with Chrome.", "quotes": [{"id": 801224752, "item_id": 50076547, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50076547", "by": "zaphar", "date": "2026-10-13", "stance": "warn", "quote": "I use safari regularly and it has not really kept up.", "excerpt": "I use safari regularly and it has not really kept up. All kinds of stuff that is partly broken for rendering. Especially on heavily dynamic sites. Chrome at least works for any web standard which IE did not.", "context": "", "use_case": "web browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 801313905, "item_id": 50082119, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50082119", "by": "bigyabai", "date": "2026-10-14", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Safari lags behind Chrome in features, WebKit lags behind Blink in cross-platform support", "excerpt": "Sure it's choice. I use Firefox on Linux; I have to forego a handful of websites, but nothing is a dealbreaker. YouTube works, Gmail works, my life isn't interrupted without Chrome installed. It sounds like your family is using Chrome because it's more convenient. It's 2026, we can't blame anyone given what Safari spent the past decade doing. Apple does not provide convenient Safari sync for Windows and Android devic", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 752430224, "item_id": 47026889, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47026889", "by": "jitbit", "date": "2026-02-15", "stance": "warn", "quote": "in Safari showModal for a dialog tag causes recalculating layout for EVERY element on a page, it\u2019s up to 59x slower than chromium", "excerpt": "I tried doing something like that in my app, and quickly discovered that some modern semantic/functional tags are STILL not supported in some browsers. Or work badly. For example, in Safari showModal for a dialog tag causes recalculating layout for EVERY element on a page, it\u2019s up to 59x slower than chromium\u2026. :( But I love the idea", "context": "", "use_case": "web browsing / dialogs", "switched_from": "", "story": "Oat \u2013 Ultra-lightweight, semantic, zero-dependency HTML UI component library"}]}, {"label": "iOS bugs", "summary": "Safari on iOS is called sluggish and glitchy, with unwanted UI changes.", "quotes": [{"id": 777819968, "item_id": 48613748, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48613748", "by": "SoKamil", "date": "2026-06-20", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Safari is just so sluggish", "excerpt": "I'm an iOS user, but each time I use Android, I envy them their browser. Safari is just so sluggish - Chromium is snappier in comparison, has no scrolling or hitbox glitches, does not crash on heavier websites. I'm proponent of the open web so I hope this will encourage iOS's Safari to compete.", "context": "iOS user", "use_case": "mobile browsing on iOS", "switched_from": "", "story": "28% Faster: Blink Prototype That Shows Why Apple iOS Browser Engine Ban Must End"}, {"id": 782738017, "item_id": 48921126, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48921126", "by": "IAmGraydon", "date": "2026-07-15", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Safari on iOS, in particular, is very bad.", "excerpt": "iOS is definitely buggier. It used to be a silky smooth experience but it's degraded significantly in the last year or so. Safari on iOS, in particular, is very bad. Lots of problems in Adobe Creative Cloud on Win 11 (primarily Photoshop, InDesign, Illustrator) in recent months too.", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: Is it just me, or is software buggier across the board?"}, {"id": 766746352, "item_id": 47921647, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47921647", "by": "jmyeet", "date": "2026-04-27", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Safari on iOS is a prime example of this.", "excerpt": "I will say that UI designers left to their own devices will tend to make change for the sake of change. And it's annoying. Safari on iOS is a prime example of this. I used to be able to switch from tabs to private browsing. Now I have to go through a tab groups abstraction that I didn't ask for, can't turn off and don't want. Want to open a new tab? Well, that too has gotten annoying. You have to tap near the bottom ", "context": "", "use_case": "mobile browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good"}]}, {"label": "Extensions", "summary": "Users complain about few extensions and App Store friction for installing them.", "quotes": [{"id": 788636800, "item_id": 49289800, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49289800", "by": "al_borland", "date": "2026-08-13", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Safari is my main browser at home and has been pretty much since its inception. Periodically I go off and use Firefox", "excerpt": "Safari is my main browser at home and has been pretty much since its inception. Periodically I go off and use Firefox, Arch, and other such things, but I always come back to Safari. It just gets out of my way, while integrating a few quality of life features that normally end up as extensions in other browsers. My big gripe with Safari is the extensions being moved to the App Store. This creates a lot of unnecessary ", "context": "macOS user", "use_case": "main browser at home", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: What browser do you use?"}, {"id": 801259040, "item_id": 50078690, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50078690", "by": "jedberg", "date": "2026-10-13", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Safari is always the best on my Mac", "excerpt": "I use all three browsers on a daily basis. Chrome for accessing google owned properties and things I click on from Google search, Safari for reddit and hacker news, and Firefox for everything else. Safari is always the best on my Mac, but my complaint has always been the lack of plugins. But just now I ported one of my favorite plugins from Chrome to Safari using ChatGPT. I told it I already have it installed in Chro", "context": "", "use_case": "reddit and hacker news", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 801313905, "item_id": 50082119, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50082119", "by": "bigyabai", "date": "2026-10-14", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Safari lags behind Chrome in features, WebKit lags behind Blink in cross-platform support", "excerpt": "Sure it's choice. I use Firefox on Linux; I have to forego a handful of websites, but nothing is a dealbreaker. YouTube works, Gmail works, my life isn't interrupted without Chrome installed. It sounds like your family is using Chrome because it's more convenient. It's 2026, we can't blame anyone given what Safari spent the past decade doing. 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I do as I use 3 OSes and want all my stuff synced across them, something I can't do with Safari.", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Firefox for iOS now has a native adblocker"}, {"id": 801313905, "item_id": 50082119, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50082119", "by": "bigyabai", "date": "2026-10-14", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Safari lags behind Chrome in features, WebKit lags behind Blink in cross-platform support", "excerpt": "Sure it's choice. I use Firefox on Linux; I have to forego a handful of websites, but nothing is a dealbreaker. YouTube works, Gmail works, my life isn't interrupted without Chrome installed. It sounds like your family is using Chrome because it's more convenient. It's 2026, we can't blame anyone given what Safari spent the past decade doing. Apple does not provide convenient Safari sync for Windows and Android devic", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 801369536, "item_id": 50085596, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50085596", "by": "B4uler5", "date": "2026-10-14", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Safari is a highly capable browser, light weight, great performance on both iphone and mac", "excerpt": "I switched from Firefox on macos and ios about a year ago when things started to get a bit weird with Mozilla. Safari is a highly capable browser, light weight, great performance on both iphone and mac, and is just a really nice experience overall. If I could use it on linux and windows as well, I would.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily browsing on Mac and iPhone", "switched_from": "Firefox", "story": "Apple: Switch to Safari (From Chrome)"}]}, {"label": "Many tabs", "summary": "Some see slowdowns or memory-related tab reloads with many tabs or heavy sites.", "quotes": [{"id": 750741424, "item_id": 46921339, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46921339", "by": "ksec", "date": "2026-02-06", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I have been using Safari Full time for ~13 years already", "excerpt": "I have been using Safari Full time for ~13 years already, 2025 was the first time I felt Safari finally didn't have any quicks or rendering errors that Chrome and Firefox dont encounter. It is still the slowest browser though if you have more than 30 Tabs. I hope they wont reduce resource on Safari developement and continue to work on it.", "context": "full-time Safari user for 13 years", "use_case": "daily browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Interop 2025: A Year of Convergence"}, {"id": 783559008, "item_id": 48972438, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48972438", "by": "themadturk", "date": "2026-07-19", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use Safari all the time as well", "excerpt": "I use Safari all the time as well, but it doesn't behave very well with Reddit (keeps closing and reopening tabs due to \"too much memory\" problems. Other than that, it works for 99.9% of everything else.", "context": "", "use_case": "web browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "Orion Browser by Kagi"}]}, {"label": "Vertical tabs", "summary": "Its vertical tab option is seen as weaker than other browsers' versions.", "quotes": [{"id": 767500513, "item_id": 47968782, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47968782", "by": "dctoedt", "date": "2026-04-30", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Safari's equivalent is a poor substitute", "excerpt": "Seems to do this in Microsoft Edge, too.* * I use Edge bcs of the vertical tabs \u2014 Safari's equivalent is a poor substitute. Firefox didn't seem to have vertical tabs last time I checked.", "context": "", "use_case": "vertical tabs", "switched_from": "", "story": "LinkedIn is scanning browser extensions"}, {"id": 803192432, "item_id": 50199527, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50199527", "by": "app", "date": "2026-10-22", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "switched to Safari with a combination of SupaSidebar[1] for the spaces/vertical tabs and OpenIn [2]", "excerpt": "I'll miss Arc but got fed up about 4 months ago and switched to Safari with a combination of SupaSidebar[1] for the spaces/vertical tabs and OpenIn [2] for Air Traffic Control. I'm pretty happy with it! 1 - https://supasidebar.com 2 - https://loshadki.app/openin4/", "context": "", "use_case": "daily browser", "switched_from": "Arc", "story": "A farewell to Arc browser"}]}], "who": [{"by": "SirMaster", "context": "iOS user with Windows laptop/desktop", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50090078", "date": "2026-10-14"}, {"by": "fredsted", "context": "Mac user since 2009", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50085552", "date": "2026-10-14"}, {"by": "mrweasel", "context": "macOS user", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49963955", "date": "2026-10-05"}, {"by": "doublepg23", "context": "macOS user since 2022", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49701747", "date": "2026-09-14"}, {"by": "latexr", "context": "needs AppleScript support", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49515603", "date": "2026-08-31"}, {"by": "al_borland", "context": "macOS user", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49289800", "date": "2026-08-13"}, {"by": "maruan21", "context": "the Safari dev on the team", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49288010", "date": "2026-08-13"}, {"by": "snailmailman", "context": "gets frequent captchas without VPN", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49163338", "date": "2026-08-03"}, {"by": "6510", "context": "web developer", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48950953", "date": "2026-07-17"}, {"by": "LoganDark", "context": "Orion+ lifetime buyer", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48556151", "date": "2026-06-16"}, {"by": "kstrauser", "context": "Safari user", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46991962", "date": "2026-02-12"}, {"by": "ksec", "context": "full-time Safari user for 13 years", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46921339", "date": "2026-02-06"}], "tags": ["for Mac users", "for iPhone users", "for privacy-minded users", "for web apps (PWAs)"], "use_cases": ["web browsing", "browsing", "daily browser", "browser", "web browser", "main browser"], "compared": [{"slug": "firefox", "name": "Firefox", "co": 62, "switched_from": 3, "switched_to": 1}, {"slug": "chrome", "name": "Chrome", "co": 46, "switched_from": 4, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "orion", "name": "Orion", "co": 16, "switched_from": 2, "switched_to": 1}, {"slug": "brave", "name": "Brave", "co": 12, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 1}, {"slug": "arc", "name": "Arc", "co": 6, "switched_from": 2, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "zen", "name": "Zen", "co": 6, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 1}, {"slug": "vivaldi", "name": "Vivaldi", "co": 5, "switched_from": 1, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "chromium", "name": "Chromium", "co": 6, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 0}], "makers": [], "threads": [{"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50072286", "title": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome", "mentions": 16}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49286427", "title": "Ask HN: What browser do you use?", "mentions": 9}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50085112", "title": "Apple: Switch to Safari (From Chrome)", "mentions": 5}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49878759", "title": "I switched to Brave", "mentions": 4}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49514878", "title": "Google Has Removed MV2 Extensions from the Chrome Web Store, Including UBO", "mentions": 4}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48643848", "title": "Ask HN: New clean macOS install. Must-have apps? Best browser?", "mentions": 4}], "sentiment_by_month": {"2025-11": {"recommend": 2, "neutral": 1, "compare": 1}, "2025-12": {"warn": 1, "neutral": 1, "recommend": 1}, "2026-01": {"recommend": 1, "warn": 2}, "2026-02": {"recommend": 3, "warn": 1}, "2026-03": {"warn": 1, "neutral": 1, "recommend": 2}, "2026-04": {"warn": 2, "recommend": 1}, "2026-05": {"recommend": 1}, "2026-06": {"compare": 1, "neutral": 2, "recommend": 5, "warn": 1}, "2026-07": {"warn": 3, "recommend": 4, "neutral": 3}, "2026-08": {"neutral": 9, "recommend": 6, "warn": 4}, "2026-09": {"neutral": 6, "compare": 1, "recommend": 4, "warn": 5}, "2026-10": {"neutral": 10, "warn": 6, "compare": 2, "recommend": 11}}, "quotes": [{"id": 803232849, "item_id": 50202053, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50202053", "by": "cosmic_cheese", "date": "2026-10-22", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "Since then I've waffled between Orion and Safari.", "excerpt": "For now, yes. For a while Arc was my main, but I switched to Orion when it was announced that Arc was going on maintenance mode. Since then I've waffled between Orion and Safari.", "context": "", "use_case": "primary browser on Mac", "switched_from": "", "story": "A farewell to Arc browser"}, {"id": 803192432, "item_id": 50199527, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50199527", "by": "app", "date": "2026-10-22", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "switched to Safari with a combination of SupaSidebar[1] for the spaces/vertical tabs and OpenIn [2]", "excerpt": "I'll miss Arc but got fed up about 4 months ago and switched to Safari with a combination of SupaSidebar[1] for the spaces/vertical tabs and OpenIn [2] for Air Traffic Control. I'm pretty happy with it! 1 - https://supasidebar.com 2 - https://loshadki.app/openin4/", "context": "", "use_case": "daily browser", "switched_from": "Arc", "story": "A farewell to Arc browser"}, {"id": 803172436, "item_id": 50198277, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50198277", "by": "jaffa2", "date": "2026-10-22", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "except on mac where i still use safari", "excerpt": "i too like vivaldi for the same reasons. i use brave, chrome for google stuff, firefox if i need a third browser but i use vivaldi mostly. except on mac where i still use safari", "context": "", "use_case": "browser on Mac", "switched_from": "", "story": "A farewell to Arc browser"}, {"id": 801441248, "item_id": 50090078, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50090078", "by": "SirMaster", "date": "2026-10-14", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I would definitely use Safari on Windows cause I trust Apple more with Privacy", "excerpt": "With what Google has been doing to Chrome, and given that I use iOS, I would definitely use Safari on Windows cause I trust Apple more with Privacy, plus the session/tabs/auth/bookmark/applepay etc integration between my phone and Windows laptop/desktop would be great!", "context": "iOS user with Windows laptop/desktop", "use_case": "browsing with iPhone integration", "switched_from": "Chrome", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 801421585, "item_id": 50088849, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50088849", "by": "ghusto", "date": "2026-10-14", "stance": "warn", "quote": "I've tried Safari every time someone raves about it, and every time I've felt vindicated.", "excerpt": "Christ, no thanks. I've tried Safari every time someone raves about it, and every time I've felt vindicated. Switched to Brave a while ago and everything works as it should (i.e. I don't think about my web browser).", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple: Switch to Safari (From Chrome)"}, {"id": 801421521, "item_id": 50088845, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50088845", "by": "zaphar", "date": "2026-10-14", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Safari I definitely have.", "excerpt": "For what it's worth Firefox is my daily driver and I've never run into a site that was broken in it. Safari I definitely have.", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 801371936, "item_id": 50085746, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50085746", "by": "ornornor", "date": "2026-10-14", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Might as well use safari as it\u2019s better integrated. And it supports uBlock origin (lite).", "excerpt": "AFAIK on iOS all browsers are safari anyway. Apple doesn\u2019t allow you to use anything but safari\u2019s engine (WebKit) for browsers so chrome, Firefox, etc all run WebKit on that platform. Might as well use safari as it\u2019s better integrated. And it supports uBlock origin (lite). With that and NextDNS, I have no ads anywhere. For the YouTube app, I use proton\u2019s Albania vpn and no ads there either. Now on desktop, use Firefo", "context": "", "use_case": "iOS browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple: Switch to Safari (From Chrome)"}, {"id": 801370720, "item_id": 50085670, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50085670", "by": "themightyquinn", "date": "2026-10-14", "stance": "compare", "quote": "There\u2019s just a ton of clunky ux on safari.", "excerpt": "I made the switch on mobile a while back and adjusted quickly. I really don\u2019t miss chrome there. I did try to switch from Arc to Safari on my laptop and my experience was much less pleasant. There\u2019s just a ton of clunky ux on safari. I\u2019ll give it a try again but once I made the mistake of dismissing the permissions popup that appears for every video call and it just never came back (subsequent meetings). I\u2019m sure it\u2019", "context": "", "use_case": "laptop browsing", "switched_from": "Arc", "story": "Apple: Switch to Safari (From Chrome)"}, {"id": 801369536, "item_id": 50085596, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50085596", "by": "B4uler5", "date": "2026-10-14", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Safari is a highly capable browser, light weight, great performance on both iphone and mac", "excerpt": "I switched from Firefox on macos and ios about a year ago when things started to get a bit weird with Mozilla. Safari is a highly capable browser, light weight, great performance on both iphone and mac, and is just a really nice experience overall. If I could use it on linux and windows as well, I would.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily browsing on Mac and iPhone", "switched_from": "Firefox", "story": "Apple: Switch to Safari (From Chrome)"}, {"id": 801368832, "item_id": 50085552, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50085552", "by": "fredsted", "date": "2026-10-14", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "It's always been fast and smooth, and the integration - like password sync and SMS 2FA keys - works great.", "excerpt": "I've used Safari since I switched to Mac in 2009. It's always been fast and smooth, and the integration - like password sync and SMS 2FA keys - works great.", "context": "Mac user since 2009", "use_case": "daily browsing on Mac", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple: Switch to Safari (From Chrome)"}, {"id": 801355008, "item_id": 50084688, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50084688", "by": "azuanrb", "date": "2026-10-14", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use Safari because it\u2019s fast and battery efficient.", "excerpt": "Hold back Chrome standards, you mean? Features that work in Chrome but not in other browsers. There are even features that work better in Safari than Firefox. Not everything Chrome pushes should automatically become the standard. Personally, I don\u2019t care about most of those Chrome specific features. I use Safari because it\u2019s fast and battery efficient. The fact that it\u2019s not made by a company whose main business is a", "context": "", "use_case": "browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 801313905, "item_id": 50082119, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50082119", "by": "bigyabai", "date": "2026-10-14", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Safari lags behind Chrome in features, WebKit lags behind Blink in cross-platform support", "excerpt": "Sure it's choice. I use Firefox on Linux; I have to forego a handful of websites, but nothing is a dealbreaker. YouTube works, Gmail works, my life isn't interrupted without Chrome installed. It sounds like your family is using Chrome because it's more convenient. It's 2026, we can't blame anyone given what Safari spent the past decade doing. Apple does not provide convenient Safari sync for Windows and Android devic", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 801300993, "item_id": 50081312, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50081312", "by": "geuis", "date": "2026-10-14", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Generally not a bad browser. Equivalent and superior to Chrome is certain aspects.", "excerpt": "I'm old enough to have been in the industry when Chrome launched. It was amazing. It was such a relief to move away from IE and all the arcane levels of details I had to remember back then to artisnaly get IE to behave like a moderately modern (for then) browser. Chrome was fast, did the basic job of correctly rendering pages, and its js runtime was groundbreaking. Node.js was direct outcome of that revolution. Now t", "context": "", "use_case": "iOS browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 801289297, "item_id": 50080581, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50080581", "by": "jwrallie", "date": "2026-10-13", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "the only other browser I use is Safari", "excerpt": "My family immigrated away from Germany 4 generations ago and I\u2019m a Firefox user. Maybe you have a point :) The other day someone asked me why I use Firefox. I realized the only other browser I use is Safari.", "context": "", "use_case": "secondary browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Firefox Enterprise"}, {"id": 801285505, "item_id": 50080344, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50080344", "by": "koinedad", "date": "2026-10-13", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use chrome for work but safari for personal and rarely see the same issue with safari", "excerpt": "Anecdotally I see significant out of memory issues with chrome on a regular basis. I use chrome for work but safari for personal and rarely see the same issue with safari if almost never.", "context": "", "use_case": "personal browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 801268801, "item_id": 50079300, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50079300", "by": "freetime2", "date": "2026-10-13", "stance": "warn", "quote": "in Safari translating a page requires reloading the page - which can cause issues on forms that use POST.", "excerpt": "Maybe a bit of an edge use case, but I use the translate page feature a lot in browsers. In Chrome you can switch back and forth between languages seamlessly, but in Safari translating a page requires reloading the page - which can cause issues on forms that use POST. Even worse, I've found that switching back to the original language just doesn't work on pages loaded with POST - the page gets stuck on the translated", "context": "", "use_case": "page translation", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 801259040, "item_id": 50078690, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50078690", "by": "jedberg", "date": "2026-10-13", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Safari is always the best on my Mac", "excerpt": "I use all three browsers on a daily basis. Chrome for accessing google owned properties and things I click on from Google search, Safari for reddit and hacker news, and Firefox for everything else. Safari is always the best on my Mac, but my complaint has always been the lack of plugins. But just now I ported one of my favorite plugins from Chrome to Safari using ChatGPT. I told it I already have it installed in Chro", "context": "", "use_case": "reddit and hacker news", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 801248625, "item_id": 50078039, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50078039", "by": "linguae", "date": "2026-10-13", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I had switched to Firefox on Linux/Windows and Safari on Macs.", "excerpt": "Yup, just like during the bad old days of Internet Explorer's dominance. I remember encountering websites that only worked on the Windows version of Internet Explorer as late as 2006. We had a nice time in the late 2000s and early 2010s when web developers coded against standards instead of against the market-leading web browser. There was competition between Firefox, Opera, Safari, and a revitalized Internet Explore", "context": "", "use_case": "browsing on Macs", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 801246208, "item_id": 50077888, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50077888", "by": "nticompass", "date": "2026-10-13", "stance": "warn", "quote": "\"Safari is the new IE.\"", "excerpt": "As I like to say: \"Safari is the new IE.\" Also, you /can/ run macOS in a VM on Linux: https://github.com/Coopydood/ultimate-macOS-kvm I use that to test our website at work in Safari, though without a GPU (there is no virto-gpu driver for macOS and my PC's GPU doesn't support vGPU) the performance isn't great.", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 801240592, "item_id": 50077537, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50077537", "by": "secretsatan", "date": "2026-10-13", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "i use safari on my other mac, it\u2019s fine most of the time", "excerpt": "I recently downgraded one of my macs so i could use some 32 bit audio peripherals. You can\u2019t update safari separately from the os i found out, and most websites now just won\u2019t render with that os and if they do, barely work. I installed firefox and that was fine. OTH, i use safari on my other mac, it\u2019s fine most of the time, but i also have have chrome installed as some websites are so buggy otherwise, linkedin is a ", "context": "", "use_case": "browsing on Mac", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 801233920, "item_id": 50077120, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50077120", "by": "LoganDark", "date": "2026-10-13", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I still daily drive Safari and use it as my main browser.", "excerpt": "Here are some reasons I don't use Safari in place of Chrome for certain things: - it doesn't like to serialize the state of tabs. Chrome is pretty good at somehow snapshotting the entire state of tabs to the point where it can be reconstructed after relaunch, even offline. - webpage loading is sort of janky. Chrome will show the webpage streaming in live, but Safari will simply freeze in place until it's done. Maybe ", "context": "", "use_case": "main browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 801227296, "item_id": 50076706, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50076706", "by": "lobf", "date": "2026-10-13", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I switched from Chrome to Safari about 5 years ago and can count the number of websites I\u2019ve had issues with on one hand", "excerpt": "Where do you run in to this? I switched from Chrome to Safari about 5 years ago and can count the number of websites I\u2019ve had issues with on one hand, I think.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily browsing", "switched_from": "Chrome", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 801224752, "item_id": 50076547, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50076547", "by": "zaphar", "date": "2026-10-13", "stance": "warn", "quote": "I use safari regularly and it has not really kept up.", "excerpt": "I use safari regularly and it has not really kept up. All kinds of stuff that is partly broken for rendering. Especially on heavily dynamic sites. Chrome at least works for any web standard which IE did not.", "context": "", "use_case": "web browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 801178176, "item_id": 50073636, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50073636", "by": "bob1029", "date": "2026-10-13", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Safari is the ultimate way to browse HN.", "excerpt": "Safari is the ultimate way to browse HN. For everything else, I use some chromium derivative that can traverse pirate streaming sites and ChatGPT without disintegrating under their weird JS workloads.", "context": "", "use_case": "browsing Hacker News", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 801167696, "item_id": 50072981, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50072981", "by": "glimshe", "date": "2026-10-13", "stance": "compare", "quote": "If Safari worked in all major OSs like Chrome, Brave and Firefox, I could consider that.", "excerpt": "If Safari worked in all major OSs like Chrome, Brave and Firefox, I could consider that. I own a Mac but didn't switch to Safari because I use multiple OSs for my work.", "context": "Mac owner who uses multiple OSs for work", "use_case": "web browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 800818737, "item_id": 50051171, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50051171", "by": "chaostheory", "date": "2026-10-12", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "On Safari, fingerprinting doesn't survive in incognito mode.", "excerpt": "wow on chrome based browsers, the fingerprint survives even in incognito mode. On Safari, fingerprinting doesn't survive in incognito mode. Same with Firefox. Good thing I use different computers for different purposes, though it looks like using different browsers seems sufficient.", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Fingerprints are the new cookies"}, {"id": 800474576, "item_id": 50029661, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50029661", "by": "notemaker", "date": "2026-10-10", "stance": "warn", "quote": "it's tied to your Apple account. You risk losing your browser history etc.", "excerpt": "> 1. \"Don't use safari\" Why? Like everything else, it's tied to your Apple account. You risk losing your browser history etc. You _can_ export it if it happens, but it's easier to not have the issue in the first place. > 2. Is there an alternative to \"Find My\" that I can use with AirTag? https://github.com/seemoo-lab/openhaystack maybe? I haven't tried it.", "context": "", "use_case": "web browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: My Apple ID is locked for a week, Apple is a single point of failure"}, {"id": 799574352, "item_id": 49973397, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49973397", "by": "al_borland", "date": "2026-10-06", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I use Safari currently at home", "excerpt": "I'm curious where you saw the nags in macOS? I use Safari currently at home, but used Firefox for a couple years semi-recently, and use Chrome on my work Mac (by force), and don't recall every being nagged to use Safari.", "context": "", "use_case": "home browsing", "switched_from": "Firefox", "story": "Apple may soon track when Google promotes Chrome inside Safari"}, {"id": 799423281, "item_id": 49963955, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49963955", "by": "mrweasel", "date": "2026-10-05", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "For weeks I used Safari to access some homelab stuff", "excerpt": "For weeks I used Safari to access some homelab stuff that only have IPs because Firefox wouldn't work. I must have been through all possible settings in Firefox, nothing worked. Turns out macOS decided that Firefox didn't need access to the local network. I guess I was asked at some point and said \"No\" because Firefox shouldn't roam around on my network unsupervised, not in my wildest imagination would I have guessed", "context": "macOS user", "use_case": "accessing homelab", "switched_from": "", "story": "Turn off Apple Intelligence on macOS 27 and get its disk space back"}, {"id": 799075011, "item_id": 49942188, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49942188", "by": "delis-thumbs-7e", "date": "2026-10-03", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "Now I have both Safari and Firefox open all the time", "excerpt": "Maybe it is for better. I used Orion as my main browser for awhile on iOS, but then it started getting weird bugs. Now I have both Safari and Firefox open all the time and watch yt on Brave. I try to see if they got Orion to behave again, but find a bit difficult to trust it as the main browser.", "context": "", "use_case": "web browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "An Update on Orion for Linux and Windows"}, {"id": 798481745, "item_id": 49905109, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49905109", "by": "thiht", "date": "2026-09-30", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use Safari because it syncs well between macOS and iOS", "excerpt": "I use Safari and Arc because they\u2019re both innovative in ways that\u2019s not matched by open source counterparts. I tried ditching Arc for Zen, but it just doesn\u2019t have the same level of polish. It feels like a copycat, which it is. I hope it gets better with time so that I can switch to it some day but it\u2019s not there yet. They should be able to match Arc though since it\u2019s development is stopped. I use Safari because it s", "context": "", "use_case": "web browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "The new Firefox design is here"}, {"id": 798451187, "item_id": 49903199, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49903199", "by": "rpdillon", "date": "2026-09-30", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Safari is written by a company that has no vested interest in seeing the web be good enough to replace native apps", "excerpt": "It's about alignment of interests. They believe that there is a business that is valuable selling a user-centric browser. A user-centric browser does not exist today. Google Chrome is a frog-boiling exercise where they slowly take away freedoms to run, for example, ad-blocking in the browser and they do so under the name of security. They've already tried to push the web integrity initiative. They'll try again. Mozil", "context": "", "use_case": "web browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "I switched to Brave"}, {"id": 798142064, "item_id": 49883879, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49883879", "by": "ok_dad", "date": "2026-09-28", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use it as my daily driver and rarely get issues related to unsupported APIs.", "excerpt": "Same but for Safari. I use it as my daily driver and rarely get issues related to unsupported APIs. Everything seems to work fine, the only issues I ever hit are related to the Apple VPN.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "I switched to Brave"}, {"id": 798093425, "item_id": 49880839, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49880839", "by": "Capricorn2481", "date": "2026-09-28", "stance": "warn", "quote": "I have had wayyy more issues on Safari.", "excerpt": "The author has a lot to say about firefox [1]. I use it and don't really have problems. Maybe 1/200 sites works not as well. I have had wayyy more issues on Safari. It seems like most of their criticisms are a gut feeling of declining quality due to their intentions with AI. I don't love that, but the browser still works for me. What do other people think? [1] https://kevquirk.com/is-firefox-firefucked", "context": "", "use_case": "browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "I switched to Brave"}, {"id": 798073427, "item_id": 49879589, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49879589", "by": "atraac", "date": "2026-09-28", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Safari is just a weird kid from the neighborhood I could never get to like.", "excerpt": "Also been using Brave for a while. All the crypto stuff needs to be turned off but besides that for me, it's just better Chrome. Firefox always felt slower to me, Safari is just a weird kid from the neighborhood I could never get to like. I LOVED Arc. I think its a near perfect browser, but lack of proper mobile browser and Browser Company dropping Arc in favor of the new rebranded Arc with AI just left me with distr", "context": "", "use_case": "browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "I switched to Brave"}, {"id": 796848497, "item_id": 49803031, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49803031", "by": "Cider9986", "date": "2026-09-22", "stance": "warn", "quote": "I like Vanadium (Chromium) a lot more than Safari.", "excerpt": "Me too. Android for the most part has much better UI. The rotation thingy alone infuriates me on iPhones. The Android implementation is perfect. Android keyboards are in a different class from iOS. And I use a source available privacy respecting one. VPNs work much better on Android. Settings is laid out better. Haptics are used much more which I appreciate. lack of back button is a crime. can't customize home screen", "context": "", "use_case": "mobile browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple has added persistent 'ads' to iOS, and it's driving users crazy"}, {"id": 796460818, "item_id": 49778801, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49778801", "by": "consumer451", "date": "2026-09-20", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "on mobile it's Safari", "excerpt": "Firefox is my daily on desktop, but on mobile it's Safari. I finally got around to installing uBlock Origin Lite on iOS. I used to run the Firefox version on iOS, but that was discontinued long ago, and I never replaced it. I feel like a bit of an idiot for not doing this sooner. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ublock-origin-lite/id6745342698", "context": "", "use_case": "mobile browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "ChatGPT now knows what you do on other websites via ad collector"}, {"id": 796056976, "item_id": 49753561, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49753561", "by": "etatester", "date": "2026-09-18", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I use Safari on both and I never even had to \"set up\" anything.", "excerpt": "As someone who uses a single password manager on my computer and phone, I don't see the problem with passkeys. I use Safari on both and I never even had to \"set up\" anything. I can see why they would be problematic for people who otherwise live life with a single love2025 password though.", "context": "", "use_case": "passkeys across computer and phone", "switched_from": "", "story": "I don't like passkeys"}, {"id": 795311168, "item_id": 49706948, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49706948", "by": "al_borland", "date": "2026-09-15", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I use Safari, but whenever I go on a pilgrimage to try a different browser", "excerpt": "My assumption would be for account syncing. I use Safari, but whenever I go on a pilgrimage to try a different browser, I also get it on my phone so I can access tabs and bookmarks whenever I am.", "context": "", "use_case": "primary browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "iOS 27, iPadOS 27, and macOS 27"}, {"id": 795227952, "item_id": 49701747, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49701747", "by": "doublepg23", "date": "2026-09-14", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I went to Safari from Firefox and I don't think I've run into a single compatibility issue.", "excerpt": "When I switched to macOS in '22 I went to Safari from Firefox and I don't think I've run into a single compatibility issue.", "context": "macOS user since 2022", "use_case": "main browser on macOS", "switched_from": "Firefox", "story": "iOS 27, iPadOS 27, and macOS 27"}, {"id": 788583824, "item_id": 49286489, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49286489", "by": "stalfosknight", "date": "2026-08-13", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Safari because of the seamless integration with Apple platform features and because it is the most energy efficient browser", "excerpt": "Safari because of the seamless integration with Apple platform features and because it is the most energy efficient browser while still being the most performant. It\u2019s the best of all worlds.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: What browser do you use?"}, {"id": 782742417, "item_id": 48921401, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48921401", "by": "culopatin", "date": "2026-07-15", "stance": "warn", "quote": "the navbar in Safari sometimes is there, sometimes it\u2019s a blank rectangle", "excerpt": "Yes, I initially jumped from Android to iPhone back in 2019 or so because I felt like the experience was much more stable and it just worked, smooth, no issues, kinda boring but in a good adult way. Now every interaction makes me want to throw the phone out the window. If it\u2019s not just blank, the keyboard doesn\u2019t come up, the navbar in Safari sometimes is there, sometimes it\u2019s a blank rectangle, etc. \u201cask your develo", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: Is it just me, or is software buggier across the board?"}, {"id": 782738017, "item_id": 48921126, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48921126", "by": "IAmGraydon", "date": "2026-07-15", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Safari on iOS, in particular, is very bad.", "excerpt": "iOS is definitely buggier. It used to be a silky smooth experience but it's degraded significantly in the last year or so. Safari on iOS, in particular, is very bad. Lots of problems in Adobe Creative Cloud on Win 11 (primarily Photoshop, InDesign, Illustrator) in recent months too.", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: Is it just me, or is software buggier across the board?"}, {"id": 777819968, "item_id": 48613748, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48613748", "by": "SoKamil", "date": "2026-06-20", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Safari is just so sluggish", "excerpt": "I'm an iOS user, but each time I use Android, I envy them their browser. Safari is just so sluggish - Chromium is snappier in comparison, has no scrolling or hitbox glitches, does not crash on heavier websites. I'm proponent of the open web so I hope this will encourage iOS's Safari to compete.", "context": "iOS user", "use_case": "mobile browsing on iOS", "switched_from": "", "story": "28% Faster: Blink Prototype That Shows Why Apple iOS Browser Engine Ban Must End"}, {"id": 766746352, "item_id": 47921647, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47921647", "by": "jmyeet", "date": "2026-04-27", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Safari on iOS is a prime example of this.", "excerpt": "I will say that UI designers left to their own devices will tend to make change for the sake of change. And it's annoying. Safari on iOS is a prime example of this. I used to be able to switch from tabs to private browsing. Now I have to go through a tab groups abstraction that I didn't ask for, can't turn off and don't want. Want to open a new tab? Well, that too has gotten annoying. You have to tap near the bottom ", "context": "", "use_case": "mobile browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good"}, {"id": 752430224, "item_id": 47026889, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47026889", "by": "jitbit", "date": "2026-02-15", "stance": "warn", "quote": "in Safari showModal for a dialog tag causes recalculating layout for EVERY element on a page, it\u2019s up to 59x slower than chromium", "excerpt": "I tried doing something like that in my app, and quickly discovered that some modern semantic/functional tags are STILL not supported in some browsers. Or work badly. For example, in Safari showModal for a dialog tag causes recalculating layout for EVERY element on a page, it\u2019s up to 59x slower than chromium\u2026. :( But I love the idea", "context": "", "use_case": "web browsing / dialogs", "switched_from": "", "story": "Oat \u2013 Ultra-lightweight, semantic, zero-dependency HTML UI component library"}]}