{"slug": "pale-moon", "name": "Pale Moon", "category": "browsers", "category_name": "Browsers and extensions", "description": "", "recommenders": 3, "commenters": 7, "warners": 0, "score": 3.633, "rising": 0.02, "first": "2025-11-11", "latest": "2026-10-13", "why": "PaleMoon Goanna is regularly updated and supports nearly all the feature sets of a modern browser rendering engine", "why_is_quote": true, "has_verdict": false, "sentiment": {"recommend": 6, "neutral": 3, "compare": 1, "warn": 0}, "spark": [0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 0], "listed": true, "loved": [], "caveat": "", "short_quote": "PaleMoon Goanna is regularly updated and supports nearly all the feature sets of a modern browser rendering engine", "kind": "", "icon": true, "domain": "palemoon.org", "github_repo": null, "official_url": "https://www.palemoon.org/", "pricing": "", "aliases": ["Pale Moon", "PaleMoon"], "verdict": null, "praise": [{"label": "", "summary": "", "quotes": [{"id": 796487520, "item_id": 49780470, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49780470", "by": "thisislife2", "date": "2026-09-20", "version": null, "stance": "recommend", "quote": "There are already decent hard ( e.g. http://www.palemoon.org/ )", "excerpt": "There are already decent hard ( e.g. http://www.palemoon.org/ ) and soft ( e.g. GNU IceCat - https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla , LibreWolf - https://librewolf.net/ , Tor Browser - https://download.torproject.org/ etc. see https://alternativeto.net/browse/all/?tag=gecko-based for more) forks of Firefox available. Better to contribute to them than start another fork. In fact, Tor Browser (without Tor), actually com", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "The Future of Web Browsers"}, {"id": 796486400, "item_id": 49780400, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49780400", "by": "thisislife2", "date": "2026-09-20", "version": null, "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Or you could all contribute to PaleMoon", "excerpt": "Or you could all contribute to PaleMoon - http://www.palemoon.org/ , instead of creating another fork ...", "context": "", "use_case": "Web browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Base Browser: A hard fork of Firefox with no AI slop"}, {"id": 781276640, "item_id": 48829790, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48829790", "by": "thisislife2", "date": "2026-07-08", "version": null, "stance": "recommend", "quote": "You can use PaleMoon", "excerpt": "You can use PaleMoon - https://www.palemoon.org/download.shtml", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": null}, {"id": 778119200, "item_id": 48632450, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48632450", "by": "thisislife2", "date": "2026-06-22", "version": null, "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Try PaleMoon", "excerpt": "Try PaleMoon - https://www.palemoon.org/download.shtml - it is the version meant for \"modern\" OSes. Powerfox shares a heritage with it as it is based on its rendering engine, Goanna (Palemoon -> Basilisk -> Powerfox).", "context": "", "use_case": "Browser for modern OSes", "switched_from": "", "story": "PowerFox Browser"}, {"id": 777999968, "item_id": 48624998, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48624998", "by": "thisislife2", "date": "2026-06-21", "version": null, "stance": "recommend", "quote": "PaleMoon Goanna is regularly updated and supports nearly all the feature sets of a modern browser rendering engine", "excerpt": "Lookup PaleMoon and Basilisk in Wikipedia. The codebase of Goanna has diverged from Firefox / Gecko a lot, so trying to compare by versions won't tell you much. PaleMoon Goanna is regularly updated and supports nearly all the feature sets of a modern browser rendering engine and is feature compatible with Firefox / Gecko though it doesn't support webRTC - https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?t=28182, DRM and webE", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "PowerFox Browser"}]}], "caveats": [], "who": [{"by": "susam", "context": "screen reader and text-to-speech user", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47448839", "date": "2026-03-19"}], "tags": [], "use_cases": ["web browsing", "web browser", "browser for modern oses", "web browsing with screen reader", "screen reader browsing"], "compared": [{"slug": "librewolf", "name": "LibreWolf", "co": 2, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 1}, {"slug": "firefox", "name": "Firefox", "co": 3, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 0}], "makers": [], "threads": [{"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48622731", "title": "PowerFox Browser", "mentions": 2}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47422759", "title": "Wander \u2013 A tiny, decentralised tool (just 2 files) to explore the small web", "mentions": 2}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50070302", "title": "Firefox Enterprise", "mentions": 1}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49779497", "title": "The Future of Web Browsers", "mentions": 1}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49779858", "title": "Base Browser: A hard fork of Firefox with no AI slop", "mentions": 1}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48821280", "title": "item 48821280", "mentions": 1}], "sentiment_by_month": {"2025-11": {"neutral": 1}, "2025-12": {"recommend": 1}, "2026-01": {"recommend": 1}, "2026-02": {}, "2026-03": {"neutral": 1, "recommend": 1}, "2026-04": {"compare": 1}, "2026-05": {}, "2026-06": {"recommend": 1}, "2026-07": {"recommend": 1}, "2026-08": {}, "2026-09": {"recommend": 1}, "2026-10": {"neutral": 1}}, "versions": [], "version_unnamed": 0, "family_ref": null, "runs_on": null, "lines": [], "quotes": [{"id": 801202384, "item_id": 50075149, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50075149", "by": "don-code", "date": "2026-10-13", "version": null, "stance": "neutral", "quote": "This started with Pale Moon", "excerpt": "Obviously experiences will vary, but I have now had three organizations express concern (though not to the point of telling me I must stop) that I use third-party Firefox derivatives. This started with Pale Moon and then continued with LibreWolf. The concern is that they \"aren't authorized apps\". As I've read it, this is a proxy for \"we aren't certain these apps can be trusted, but nobody ever got fired for pointing ", "context": "", "use_case": "web browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "Firefox Enterprise"}, {"id": 796487520, "item_id": 49780470, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49780470", "by": "thisislife2", "date": "2026-09-20", "version": null, "stance": "recommend", "quote": "There are already decent hard ( e.g. http://www.palemoon.org/ )", "excerpt": "There are already decent hard ( e.g. http://www.palemoon.org/ ) and soft ( e.g. GNU IceCat - https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla , LibreWolf - https://librewolf.net/ , Tor Browser - https://download.torproject.org/ etc. see https://alternativeto.net/browse/all/?tag=gecko-based for more) forks of Firefox available. Better to contribute to them than start another fork. In fact, Tor Browser (without Tor), actually com", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "The Future of Web Browsers"}, {"id": 796486400, "item_id": 49780400, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49780400", "by": "thisislife2", "date": "2026-09-20", "version": null, "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Or you could all contribute to PaleMoon", "excerpt": "Or you could all contribute to PaleMoon - http://www.palemoon.org/ , instead of creating another fork ...", "context": "", "use_case": "Web browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Base Browser: A hard fork of Firefox with no AI slop"}, {"id": 781276640, "item_id": 48829790, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48829790", "by": "thisislife2", "date": "2026-07-08", "version": null, "stance": "recommend", "quote": "You can use PaleMoon", "excerpt": "You can use PaleMoon - https://www.palemoon.org/download.shtml", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": null}, {"id": 778119200, "item_id": 48632450, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48632450", "by": "thisislife2", "date": "2026-06-22", "version": null, "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Try PaleMoon", "excerpt": "Try PaleMoon - https://www.palemoon.org/download.shtml - it is the version meant for \"modern\" OSes. Powerfox shares a heritage with it as it is based on its rendering engine, Goanna (Palemoon -> Basilisk -> Powerfox).", "context": "", "use_case": "Browser for modern OSes", "switched_from": "", "story": "PowerFox Browser"}, {"id": 777999968, "item_id": 48624998, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48624998", "by": "thisislife2", "date": "2026-06-21", "version": null, "stance": "recommend", "quote": "PaleMoon Goanna is regularly updated and supports nearly all the feature sets of a modern browser rendering engine", "excerpt": "Lookup PaleMoon and Basilisk in Wikipedia. The codebase of Goanna has diverged from Firefox / Gecko a lot, so trying to compare by versions won't tell you much. PaleMoon Goanna is regularly updated and supports nearly all the feature sets of a modern browser rendering engine and is feature compatible with Firefox / Gecko though it doesn't support webRTC - https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?t=28182, DRM and webE", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "PowerFox Browser"}, {"id": 776591840, "item_id": 48536990, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48536990", "by": "thisislife2", "date": "2026-06-14", "version": null, "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Or you can just use PaleMoon browser", "excerpt": "Or you can just use PaleMoon browser ( https://www.palemoon.org/ ) and install the original Flash player plug-in in it.", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Your ePub Is Fine. Kobo Disagrees. Blame Adobe"}, {"id": 776368512, "item_id": 48523032, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48523032", "by": "thisislife2", "date": "2026-06-13", "version": null, "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Many developers were angry enough to fork Firefox just to retain that feature ( https://www.palemoon.org/ ).", "excerpt": "Older Firefox extension feature-sets were quite powerful before Google financially coerced / induced them to support the kind of crippled version that is today's \"Web Extensions\". Many developers were angry enough to fork Firefox just to retain that feature ( https://www.palemoon.org/ ).", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Leaving Mozilla"}, {"id": 765612802, "item_id": 47850800, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47850800", "by": "dogtimeimmortal", "date": "2026-04-21", "version": null, "stance": "compare", "quote": "pale moon 33.5: 26/32(-6 exp. feat.)", "excerpt": "> there is a concrete danger to asymmetric cryptography I guess there is genuine cause for concern and a reason why i keep seeing these error pages telling me to update my browser. note, firefox 78(esr) still gets a 32/32 in security on https://html5test.co/ basilisk 2025: 26/32(-6 experimental features) pale moon 33.5: 26/32(-6 exp. feat.) seamonkey 2.53.23: 24/32(-6 exp. -2 prop.) I don't know why i experience so m", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Quantum Computers Are Not a Threat to 128-Bit Symmetric Keys"}, {"id": 759181424, "item_id": 47448839, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47448839", "by": "susam", "date": "2026-03-19", "version": null, "stance": "recommend", "quote": "", "excerpt": "Thank you. This makes a lot of sense. I need to think it through since 'let' is one of the things about modern JavaScript that I quite like, so I need to decide whether I really want to go back to using 'var' again. To be honest, I resisted adopting ES6 features for quite a long time because I was concerned about exactly this kind of situation, where a modern feature might not work in an older browser that is still i", "context": "screen reader and text-to-speech user", "use_case": "Web browsing with screen reader", "switched_from": "", "story": "Wander \u2013 A tiny, decentralised tool (just 2 files) to explore the small web"}, {"id": 759177680, "item_id": 47448605, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47448605", "by": "superkuh", "date": "2026-03-19", "version": null, "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I'm using an ancient firefox fork from ~2015 called Palemoon 26.5. I use it because it's the best available on my computer with the good screen reader", "excerpt": "Hi susam thanks for the heads up on IRC. I'm using an ancient firefox fork from ~2015 called Palemoon 26.5. I use it because it's the best available on my computer with the good screen reader and text to speech setup. I am not a javascript developer but my JS console says \"SyntaxError: Missing ; before statement\" on line 136: let consoles = window.wander.consoles I'd bet it's that 'let' that's emcascript6. I sort of ", "context": "", "use_case": "screen reader browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "Wander \u2013 A tiny, decentralised tool (just 2 files) to explore the small web"}, {"id": 747406208, "item_id": 46712888, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46712888", "by": "thisislife2", "date": "2026-01-21", "version": null, "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Works great on PaleMoon", "excerpt": "Also checkout - https://jpegxl.info/resources/jpeg-xl-test-page Works great on PaleMoon, one of the earliest browsers to support JPEG XL and \"Global Privacy Control\" ( https://globalprivacycontrol.org/ ).", "context": "", "use_case": "Web browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "JPEG XL Demo Page"}, {"id": 741245552, "item_id": 46327847, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46327847", "by": "6031769", "date": "2025-12-19", "version": null, "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Pale Moon is actively maintained.", "excerpt": "Pale Moon is actively maintained. https://www.palemoon.org/", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Is Firefox Firefucked?"}, {"id": 734222880, "item_id": 45888930, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45888930", "by": "mimasama", "date": "2025-11-11", "version": null, "stance": "neutral", "quote": "Pale Moon still has XSLT support and has no plans to remove it", "excerpt": "Pale Moon still has XSLT support and has no plans to remove it: https://outerheaven.club/notice/AxFlFCfzzgRRpvubVw", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "XSLT RIP"}]}