{"slug": "orion", "name": "Orion", "category": "browsers", "category_name": "Browsers and extensions", "description": "WebKit-based web browser from Kagi for macOS and iOS, with WebExtension support.", "recommenders": 28, "commenters": 59, "warners": 13, "score": 17.011, "rising": 7.76, "first": "2025-11-25", "latest": "2026-10-22", "why": "Liked for bringing Firefox and Chrome extensions and easy ad blocking to iOS, and for being a browser that is not built on Chromium.", "why_is_quote": false, "has_verdict": true, "sentiment": {"recommend": 29, "neutral": 17, "compare": 2, "warn": 14}, "spark": [5, 2, 2, 0, 0, 0, 0, 2, 5, 2, 5, 6], "listed": true, "loved": ["Extensions & adblock", "Non-Chromium engine"], "caveat": "Bugs", "short_quote": "Recent versions have been rock solid, and it does exactly what it says on the tin.", "icon": true, "domain": "kagi.com", "github_repo": null, "official_url": "https://orionbrowser.com", "pricing": "free", "aliases": ["Orion"], "verdict": [{"text": "Liked for bringing Firefox and Chrome extensions and easy ad blocking to iOS,", "cites": [{"id": 788955840, "item_id": 49309740, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49309740", "by": "bartvbl", "date": "2026-08-15", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Kagi's Orion browser is a far as I know the only one on iOS that supports proper Firefox extensions, including ublock and others.", "excerpt": "Kagi's Orion browser is a far as I know the only one on iOS that supports proper Firefox extensions, including ublock and others. You may want to give that a try.", "context": "", "use_case": "iOS browser with extensions", "switched_from": "", "story": "Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin"}, {"id": 741239264, "item_id": 46327454, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46327454", "by": "kerkeslager", "date": "2025-12-19", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Currently on mobile I use Orion--it's the only mobile browser I've found where setting up AdBlocking is reasonably easy.", "excerpt": "I'm concerned, and I am glad people keep writing about this. But the final bit in this post is really where I'm at: I have no idea where to go from here. Currently on mobile I use Orion--it's the only mobile browser I've found where setting up AdBlocking is reasonably easy. Maybe I'll try it on Desktop. But this doesn't really address the issue of there being only one rendering engine out there because it uses WebKit", "context": "", "use_case": "mobile browser with ad blocking", "switched_from": "", "story": "Is Firefox Firefucked?"}, {"id": 792435809, "item_id": 49527238, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49527238", "by": "eikenberry", "date": "2026-09-01", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "This is why I use the Orion browser on iOS.", "excerpt": "It doesn't block the inline ads between story and comments on reddit.. my benchmark for browser ad blocking and ublock-origin is one of the few (only?) that does it. This is why I use the Orion browser on iOS.", "context": "iOS user", "use_case": "iOS browser with uBlock Origin", "switched_from": "", "story": "Introducing Ad Blocker for Firefox on iOS"}]}, {"text": " and for being a browser that is not built on Chromium.", "cites": [{"id": 799089968, "item_id": 49943123, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49943123", "by": "ajdude", "date": "2026-10-03", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use Orion (because pay for Orion Plus to support them) specifically because it is not a fork of Chromium.", "excerpt": "I use Orion (because pay for Orion Plus to support them) specifically because it is not a fork of Chromium. We need more rendering engines out there in the wild, as the situation with chrome's monopoly is already critically dire.", "context": "Orion Plus subscriber", "use_case": "web browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "An Update on Orion for Linux and Windows"}, {"id": 799137120, "item_id": 49946070, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49946070", "by": "SoftTalker", "date": "2026-10-03", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use Orion because it's not a product of Apple or Google.", "excerpt": "Browser diversity is a good thing. We've seen what happens when one huge monopoly dominates the browser landscape. Twice now, first with IE and then Chrome. I use Orion because it's not a product of Apple or Google. There's no reason the browser should be a product of the same company who made the OS.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "An Update on Orion for Linux and Windows"}, {"id": 740815281, "item_id": 46300955, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46300955", "by": "ajdude", "date": "2025-12-17", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I switched to Orion (and use Safari if a site doesn't work in Orion), which can be a little buggy at times but I'm happy that it's not based on chrome", "excerpt": "I'm going to repost/merge a few comments I made about this a while ago: I dropped firefox 9 months so after they updated their privacy policy and removed \"we don't sell your data\" from their FAQ: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213612 Mozilla has hired a lot of execs from Meta and bought an ad company, looking through a lot of their privacy policy at the time, a lot of it involves rewriting it to say that they", "context": "", "use_case": "browser", "switched_from": "Firefox", "story": "Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?"}]}, {"text": " The most common complaint is bugs and instability,", "cites": [{"id": 783579104, "item_id": 48973694, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48973694", "by": "sodapopcan", "date": "2026-07-19", "stance": "warn", "quote": "there were just too many bugs and I have been using Firefox since", "excerpt": "I paid the one-time fee that gives you lifetime access to it over a year ago and it's been at least a year that I haven't used it (It was like $270USD or something... I can't remember). I wanted to, and still want to, like it so badly but there were just too many bugs and I have been using Firefox since. Every once in a while I come back to Orion to see what's up... Now... this is likely going to sound extremely stup", "context": "paid lifetime license", "use_case": "web browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Orion Browser by Kagi"}, {"id": 783575504, "item_id": 48973469, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48973469", "by": "8jy89hui", "date": "2026-07-19", "stance": "warn", "quote": "", "excerpt": "I tried using Orion mobile for months but I just kept running into so many UI bugs that I had to switch away from it :(. I love Kagi, but Orion just feels unpolished right now", "context": "", "use_case": "mobile browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Orion Browser by Kagi"}, {"id": 776142961, "item_id": 48508935, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48508935", "by": "LoganDark", "date": "2026-06-12", "stance": "warn", "quote": "it was so unstable I had to switch away because it kept crashing, glitching and exploding in memory usage", "excerpt": "I tried Kagi, but it never had the results I wanted, while Google did. If Google didn't have them, Kagi wouldn't either. At some point Kagi refunded my subscription price (due to my non-usage) enough times I canceled it -- I love the idea, in fact I purchased Orion Plus Lifetime and I wholeheartedly support their cause, they just simply don't have Google's breadth of index. (Speaking of Orion, I used it as a daily dr", "context": "", "use_case": "daily browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Kagi Magic"}]}, {"text": " often alongside high memory or battery use.", "cites": [{"id": 775623744, "item_id": 48476484, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48476484", "by": "mead5432", "date": "2026-06-10", "stance": "warn", "quote": "I loved Orion and have been using as a daily driver almost since day 1 including paying for it but now it\u2019s completely unusable.", "excerpt": "What about the glaring memory issues that is a pinned thread in your forum? It\u2019s had one comment by a staff member over 5 or so months? I loved Orion and have been using as a daily driver almost since day 1 including paying for it but now it\u2019s completely unusable. I\u2019ve since moved to Firefox. The fact that a pinned thread was silent for months concerns me about the future of Orion. It honestly hurts to see.", "context": "paying Orion customer", "use_case": "daily browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Google Chrome is killing all uBlock Origin bypasses, Edge, Opera to follow"}, {"id": 783582385, "item_id": 48973899, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48973899", "by": "xando", "date": "2026-07-19", "stance": "warn", "quote": "due to bugs and battery drain, I had to switch back (to Safari!)", "excerpt": "Happy Kagi user. I switched to Orion at some point, but due to bugs and battery drain, I had to switch back (to Safari!) As soon as those are fixed, I\u2019m back again. I\u2019d also pay for it, if that changes anything. Actually, I would pay for the browser, period, if it was good, respected privacy, was efficient and fast on mobile, and synced things between devices.", "context": "", "use_case": "web browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Orion Browser by Kagi"}, {"id": 783659232, "item_id": 48978702, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48978702", "by": "nunez", "date": "2026-07-20", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "It's almost there for me, but the lack of history sync between devices and its battery consumption are dealbreakers for me. I love it otherwise!!!", "excerpt": "Tried Orion again two weeks ago. It's almost there for me, but the lack of history sync between devices and its battery consumption are dealbreakers for me. I love it otherwise!!!", "context": "", "use_case": "browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "Orion Browser by Kagi"}]}], "praise": [{"label": "Extensions & adblock", "summary": "Supports real WebExtensions like uBlock on iOS, which makes ad blocking easy, including on YouTube.", "quotes": [{"id": 788955840, "item_id": 49309740, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49309740", "by": "bartvbl", "date": "2026-08-15", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Kagi's Orion browser is a far as I know the only one on iOS that supports proper Firefox extensions, including ublock and others.", "excerpt": "Kagi's Orion browser is a far as I know the only one on iOS that supports proper Firefox extensions, including ublock and others. You may want to give that a try.", "context": "", "use_case": "iOS browser with extensions", "switched_from": "", "story": "Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin"}, {"id": 741239264, "item_id": 46327454, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46327454", "by": "kerkeslager", "date": "2025-12-19", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Currently on mobile I use Orion--it's the only mobile browser I've found where setting up AdBlocking is reasonably easy.", "excerpt": "I'm concerned, and I am glad people keep writing about this. But the final bit in this post is really where I'm at: I have no idea where to go from here. Currently on mobile I use Orion--it's the only mobile browser I've found where setting up AdBlocking is reasonably easy. Maybe I'll try it on Desktop. But this doesn't really address the issue of there being only one rendering engine out there because it uses WebKit", "context": "", "use_case": "mobile browser with ad blocking", "switched_from": "", "story": "Is Firefox Firefucked?"}, {"id": 744872240, "item_id": 46554515, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46554515", "by": "bikelang", "date": "2026-01-09", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I\u2019ve picked it up again as my daily driver as of the new year and haven\u2019t had a single issue yet.", "excerpt": "Orion has come an extremely long ways on iOS and macOS. I daily drove it for a couple months maybe a year and a half ago and it had a lot of little rough edges and was slightly broken on a number of websites. I\u2019ve picked it up again as my daily driver as of the new year and haven\u2019t had a single issue yet. It even blocks ads in YouTube now - only Brave did that previously. For me - Brave was the best browser product. ", "context": "", "use_case": "daily browser", "switched_from": "Brave", "story": "Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux"}]}, {"label": "Non-Chromium engine", "summary": "Valued for adding browser diversity as a WebKit browser that is not a Chromium fork.", "quotes": [{"id": 799089968, "item_id": 49943123, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49943123", "by": "ajdude", "date": "2026-10-03", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use Orion (because pay for Orion Plus to support them) specifically because it is not a fork of Chromium.", "excerpt": "I use Orion (because pay for Orion Plus to support them) specifically because it is not a fork of Chromium. We need more rendering engines out there in the wild, as the situation with chrome's monopoly is already critically dire.", "context": "Orion Plus subscriber", "use_case": "web browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "An Update on Orion for Linux and Windows"}, {"id": 799137120, "item_id": 49946070, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49946070", "by": "SoftTalker", "date": "2026-10-03", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use Orion because it's not a product of Apple or Google.", "excerpt": "Browser diversity is a good thing. We've seen what happens when one huge monopoly dominates the browser landscape. Twice now, first with IE and then Chrome. I use Orion because it's not a product of Apple or Google. There's no reason the browser should be a product of the same company who made the OS.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "An Update on Orion for Linux and Windows"}, {"id": 744868096, "item_id": 46554256, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46554256", "by": "undeveloper", "date": "2026-01-09", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I love what the kagi team is doing", "excerpt": "I love what the kagi team is doing, and being some of the first innovators maybe since the ladybird(?) browser, even if it's using the same base of webkit, not being a fork of chrome or firefox. I wish they'd bring it to android, but it doesn't look like they're interested.", "context": "", "use_case": "browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux"}]}, {"label": "iOS alternative", "summary": "Several users switched to it from Firefox or Brave on iOS and were happy with it.", "quotes": [{"id": 789161984, "item_id": 49322624, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49322624", "by": "klardotsh", "date": "2026-08-16", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I had to start using Orion because Firefox iOS sucks so much.", "excerpt": "I have been, on desktop and back when I used Android. When I kicked deGoogled Android out of my life and went to iOS where most things Just Work \u2122 and I could stop thinking about my phone and its bugs, I had to start using Orion because Firefox iOS sucks so much. This news from TFA is the biggest step in the right direction; I might be able to use Firefox mobile again finally.", "context": "former deGoogled Android user, now on iOS", "use_case": "iOS browser", "switched_from": "Firefox for iOS", "story": "Firefox for iOS now has a native adblocker"}, {"id": 783655248, "item_id": 48978453, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48978453", "by": "theoneone", "date": "2026-07-20", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I switched from brave(ios) to Orion about a month ago and almost I didn't look back.", "excerpt": "I switched from brave(ios) to Orion about a month ago and almost I didn't look back. Some ui bug and certain website bit playing along(reddit) but it's OK.", "context": "iOS user", "use_case": "mobile browsing", "switched_from": "Brave", "story": "Orion Browser by Kagi"}, {"id": 783622352, "item_id": 48976397, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976397", "by": "darkamaul", "date": "2026-07-20", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I have switched from Firefox to Orion on my iPhone a year ago (potentially more?) and had a great experience.", "excerpt": "I have quite the opposite view here. I have switched from Firefox to Orion on my iPhone a year ago (potentially more?) and had a great experience. Sure they are sometimes some buggy UI controls (like the focus not working), but for the most part, the experience has been smooth. Did you try to report the bugs when you had some? Maybe this could help everyone else using the browser.", "context": "iPhone user", "use_case": "iPhone browser", "switched_from": "Firefox", "story": "Orion Browser by Kagi"}]}, {"label": "Improved stability", "summary": "Some users say recent versions are solid and reliable compared with earlier releases.", "quotes": [{"id": 736801760, "item_id": 46050110, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46050110", "by": "dickiedyce", "date": "2025-11-25", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Recent versions have been rock solid, and it does exactly what it says on the tin.", "excerpt": "I'm a keen Orion user, and general Kagi user - early adopter since June 2022 (So kool-aid? ;-) ) That said, I have Chrome installed for mandated office work (profile managed by IT ;-( ), Brave for LinkedIn & YouTube... but for everything else I use Orion. Recent versions have been rock solid, and it does exactly what it says on the tin. My only gripe is that the favourites bar isn't right-click editable like Chrome o", "context": "early Kagi adopter since June 2022", "use_case": "daily browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "Orion 1.0"}, {"id": 736766432, "item_id": 46047902, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46047902", "by": "rwbt", "date": "2025-11-25", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I switched to Orion from Safari a few months ago and so far loving it.", "excerpt": "I switched to Orion from Safari a few months ago and so far loving it. I tried Orion a couple of years ago but it wasn't as reliable. Now it seems very stable and the kagi search integration is really nice. On a side note - I don't know why Apple still doesn't let you set a custom search engine in Safari even today, so random.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily browser", "switched_from": "Safari", "story": "Orion 1.0"}, {"id": 744872240, "item_id": 46554515, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46554515", "by": "bikelang", "date": "2026-01-09", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I\u2019ve picked it up again as my daily driver as of the new year and haven\u2019t had a single issue yet.", "excerpt": "Orion has come an extremely long ways on iOS and macOS. I daily drove it for a couple months maybe a year and a half ago and it had a lot of little rough edges and was slightly broken on a number of websites. I\u2019ve picked it up again as my daily driver as of the new year and haven\u2019t had a single issue yet. It even blocks ads in YouTube now - only Brave did that previously. For me - Brave was the best browser product. ", "context": "", "use_case": "daily browser", "switched_from": "Brave", "story": "Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux"}]}, {"label": "Kagi integration", "summary": "Kagi search integration and the summarise feature are appreciated.", "quotes": [{"id": 736766432, "item_id": 46047902, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46047902", "by": "rwbt", "date": "2025-11-25", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I switched to Orion from Safari a few months ago and so far loving it.", "excerpt": "I switched to Orion from Safari a few months ago and so far loving it. I tried Orion a couple of years ago but it wasn't as reliable. Now it seems very stable and the kagi search integration is really nice. On a side note - I don't know why Apple still doesn't let you set a custom search engine in Safari even today, so random.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily browser", "switched_from": "Safari", "story": "Orion 1.0"}, {"id": 784272561, "item_id": 49017035, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49017035", "by": "delis-thumbs-7e", "date": "2026-07-22", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use their Orion -browser and its summarise -function, which is very good.", "excerpt": "Kagi is great. The search gives you the actual thing you are looking for, but also their translate tool is very nifty, and their LLM assistants are actually better for my purposes than Anthropic or whatever. I have tried the same models via openrouter, but can\u2019t get as good responses, so there\u2019s something very clever they do with their harness. I use their Orion -browser and its summarise -function, which is very goo", "context": "", "use_case": "browser with summarise", "switched_from": "", "story": "Back to Kagi"}, {"id": 744898722, "item_id": 46556170, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46556170", "by": "bicepjai", "date": "2026-01-09", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I use it as the app for kagi experience for AI chat and search.", "excerpt": "Previously, my comments on Kagi were about one thing: counting queries felt like a chore, so I stayed away. I did give it a try mainly for the privacy angle. After that, I switched to Perplexity and was happy for a year, until the familiar VC backed pattern showed up: ads, even for paying users. This year I upgraded to Kagi Ultimate, and honestly, it feels like they\u2019ve found the sweet spot. I hesitated at $25 at firs", "context": "", "use_case": "Kagi AI chat and search app", "switched_from": "", "story": "Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux"}]}], "caveats": [{"label": "Bugs", "summary": "Many users report UI bugs, crashes, or glitches that pushed them back to other browsers.", "quotes": [{"id": 783579104, "item_id": 48973694, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48973694", "by": "sodapopcan", "date": "2026-07-19", "stance": "warn", "quote": "there were just too many bugs and I have been using Firefox since", "excerpt": "I paid the one-time fee that gives you lifetime access to it over a year ago and it's been at least a year that I haven't used it (It was like $270USD or something... I can't remember). I wanted to, and still want to, like it so badly but there were just too many bugs and I have been using Firefox since. Every once in a while I come back to Orion to see what's up... Now... this is likely going to sound extremely stup", "context": "paid lifetime license", "use_case": "web browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Orion Browser by Kagi"}, {"id": 783575504, "item_id": 48973469, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48973469", "by": "8jy89hui", "date": "2026-07-19", "stance": "warn", "quote": "", "excerpt": "I tried using Orion mobile for months but I just kept running into so many UI bugs that I had to switch away from it :(. I love Kagi, but Orion just feels unpolished right now", "context": "", "use_case": "mobile browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Orion Browser by Kagi"}, {"id": 776142961, "item_id": 48508935, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48508935", "by": "LoganDark", "date": "2026-06-12", "stance": "warn", "quote": "it was so unstable I had to switch away because it kept crashing, glitching and exploding in memory usage", "excerpt": "I tried Kagi, but it never had the results I wanted, while Google did. If Google didn't have them, Kagi wouldn't either. At some point Kagi refunded my subscription price (due to my non-usage) enough times I canceled it -- I love the idea, in fact I purchased Orion Plus Lifetime and I wholeheartedly support their cause, they just simply don't have Google's breadth of index. (Speaking of Orion, I used it as a daily dr", "context": "", "use_case": "daily browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Kagi Magic"}]}, {"label": "Resource usage", "summary": "Users report memory bloat, battery drain, and the phone heating up.", "quotes": [{"id": 775623744, "item_id": 48476484, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48476484", "by": "mead5432", "date": "2026-06-10", "stance": "warn", "quote": "I loved Orion and have been using as a daily driver almost since day 1 including paying for it but now it\u2019s completely unusable.", "excerpt": "What about the glaring memory issues that is a pinned thread in your forum? It\u2019s had one comment by a staff member over 5 or so months? I loved Orion and have been using as a daily driver almost since day 1 including paying for it but now it\u2019s completely unusable. I\u2019ve since moved to Firefox. The fact that a pinned thread was silent for months concerns me about the future of Orion. It honestly hurts to see.", "context": "paying Orion customer", "use_case": "daily browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Google Chrome is killing all uBlock Origin bypasses, Edge, Opera to follow"}, {"id": 783582385, "item_id": 48973899, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48973899", "by": "xando", "date": "2026-07-19", "stance": "warn", "quote": "due to bugs and battery drain, I had to switch back (to Safari!)", "excerpt": "Happy Kagi user. I switched to Orion at some point, but due to bugs and battery drain, I had to switch back (to Safari!) As soon as those are fixed, I\u2019m back again. I\u2019d also pay for it, if that changes anything. Actually, I would pay for the browser, period, if it was good, respected privacy, was efficient and fast on mobile, and synced things between devices.", "context": "", "use_case": "web browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Orion Browser by Kagi"}, {"id": 736796240, "item_id": 46049765, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46049765", "by": "gainda", "date": "2025-11-25", "stance": "warn", "quote": "it would get hot to the edge of discomfort", "excerpt": "I will give this another chance but the last time I used this on my 14 Pro Max it would get hot to the edge of discomfort", "context": "", "use_case": "mobile browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "Orion 1.0"}]}, {"label": "Extension limits", "summary": "Extension support is incomplete; some extensions get killed, run slowly, or are not fully supported.", "quotes": [{"id": 789185920, "item_id": 49324120, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49324120", "by": "ghostly_s", "date": "2026-08-16", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Orion's implementation just silently kills your extension threads when the memory manager wants the space then never restarts them.", "excerpt": "I too switched to Orion for the extensions, then when I noticed they had gone about two years with regular updates but not one that addressed the performance of extensions, (their one killer feature) I switched back. I would love to have my extensions on mobile, but Orion's implementation just silently kills your extension threads when the memory manager wants the space then never restarts them.", "context": "", "use_case": "iOS browser with extensions", "switched_from": "Firefox", "story": "Firefox for iOS now has a native adblocker"}, {"id": 736770672, "item_id": 46048167, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46048167", "by": "rdg1991", "date": "2025-11-25", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I love Orion, but it's pretty unusable with 1Password set up", "excerpt": "I love Orion, but it's pretty unusable with 1Password set up - delay on keyboard input is unbearable with the extension enabled and it slows everything down significantly. I just ran a few benchmarks with BrowserBench Speedometer: 1Password extension disabled: 17 1Password extension enabled: 10 (and the test takes much longer) Vivaldi with extension enabled: 25 I really, really want to move back to Orion as my daily ", "context": "heavy 1Password user", "use_case": "daily browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Orion 1.0"}, {"id": 793351232, "item_id": 49584452, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49584452", "by": "krnrrr", "date": "2026-09-06", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "it's a great browser and i'm looking forward for it to keep up with the counterparts.", "excerpt": "i try to use it as my second browser (just to see whether it could be the first one). and the only thing that keeps me off - not all extensions are supported _at full fledge_. e.g. surfingkeys (for vim-mode) which i've been using pre-dominantly for many-many years in FF. apart from that i love the experience. it's a great browser and i'm looking forward for it to keep up with the counterparts.", "context": "", "use_case": "second browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Hang on to Your Firefox"}]}, {"label": "Missing features", "summary": "Commenters note no Android version, no history sync, weak picture-in-picture, and Safari dev tools instead of Chrome's.", "quotes": [{"id": 784103617, "item_id": 49006476, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49006476", "by": "imzadi", "date": "2026-07-22", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I even use Orion on ios and wish there was an Android version.", "excerpt": "I've switched to Kagi full time. I even use Orion on ios and wish there was an Android version. Kagi translate is superior to Google translate, also. I love that it gives me a more direct translation and then suggests alternatives and tells me what situations they would work best in.", "context": "", "use_case": "iOS browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Back to Kagi"}, {"id": 783659232, "item_id": 48978702, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48978702", "by": "nunez", "date": "2026-07-20", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "It's almost there for me, but the lack of history sync between devices and its battery consumption are dealbreakers for me. I love it otherwise!!!", "excerpt": "Tried Orion again two weeks ago. It's almost there for me, but the lack of history sync between devices and its battery consumption are dealbreakers for me. I love it otherwise!!!", "context": "", "use_case": "browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "Orion Browser by Kagi"}, {"id": 745034241, "item_id": 46564640, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46564640", "by": "kingkandu", "date": "2026-01-10", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "Loved Orion but had to switch to Zen because they had an awful Picture-in-picture implementation", "excerpt": "Loved Orion but had to switch to Zen because they had an awful Picture-in-picture implementation and no mouse gesture support, both features I use heavily Regardless, anything that works toward dethroning the 2 worst spyware distros in the world i.e. windows and osx I must support heavily", "context": "", "use_case": "browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux"}]}, {"label": "Site compatibility", "summary": "Some sites like Google Docs or Reddit don't work well.", "quotes": [{"id": 783660496, "item_id": 48978781, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48978781", "by": "tunapizza", "date": "2026-07-20", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "It's the one thing that forced me off of Orion and back to Firefox.", "excerpt": "I'm a heavy user of Google Drive, Docs, Sheets etc. for work. Does the suite work better with Orion now? It's the one thing that forced me off of Orion and back to Firefox. Or perhaps I need to really invest in finding a functional alternative to the Google suite. And I'm reading that Orion supports containers now, which is a feature I also love.", "context": "heavy user of Google Drive, Docs, Sheets for work", "use_case": "browsing with Google Docs", "switched_from": "", "story": "Orion Browser by Kagi"}, {"id": 783655248, "item_id": 48978453, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48978453", "by": "theoneone", "date": "2026-07-20", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I switched from brave(ios) to Orion about a month ago and almost I didn't look back.", "excerpt": "I switched from brave(ios) to Orion about a month ago and almost I didn't look back. Some ui bug and certain website bit playing along(reddit) but it's OK.", "context": "iOS user", "use_case": "mobile browsing", "switched_from": "Brave", "story": "Orion Browser by Kagi"}]}, {"label": "Closed source", "summary": "Some commenters advise against using closed-source browsers.", "quotes": [{"id": 778530208, "item_id": 48658138, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48658138", "by": "cute_boi", "date": "2026-06-24", "stance": "warn", "quote": "I recommend people not to use closed source browsers.", "excerpt": "I recommend people not to use closed source browsers.", "context": "", "use_case": "web browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "Orion 1.1 for macOS is out, with containers"}]}], "who": [{"by": "ivanjermakov", "context": "iOS user", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49944828", "date": "2026-10-03"}, {"by": "ajdude", "context": "Orion Plus subscriber", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49943123", "date": "2026-10-03"}, {"by": "TheCapeGreek", "context": "Mac user", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49942774", "date": "2026-10-03"}, {"by": "Teever", "context": "iPhone user", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49803408", "date": "2026-09-22"}, {"by": "wpm", "context": "iPhone user", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49637396", "date": "2026-09-10"}, {"by": "eikenberry", "context": "iOS user", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49527238", "date": "2026-09-01"}, {"by": "klardotsh", "context": "former deGoogled Android user, now on iOS", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49322624", "date": "2026-08-16"}, {"by": "tunapizza", "context": "heavy user of Google Drive, Docs, Sheets for work", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48978781", "date": "2026-07-20"}, {"by": "theoneone", "context": "iOS user", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48978453", "date": "2026-07-20"}, {"by": "darkamaul", "context": "iPhone user", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976397", "date": "2026-07-20"}, {"by": "LoganDark", "context": "Orion+ lifetime buyer", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48556151", "date": "2026-06-16"}, {"by": "dickiedyce", "context": "early Kagi adopter since June 2022", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46050110", "date": "2025-11-25"}], "tags": ["for iOS users", "for Mac users", "for Kagi users", "Chromium alternative"], "use_cases": ["web browsing", "browser", "daily browser", "ios browser", "web browser", "browsing"], "compared": [{"slug": "firefox", "name": "Firefox", "co": 20, "switched_from": 3, "switched_to": 3}, {"slug": "safari", "name": "Safari", "co": 16, "switched_from": 1, "switched_to": 2}, {"slug": "kagi", "name": "Kagi", "co": 15, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "brave", "name": "Brave", "co": 5, "switched_from": 3, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "firefox-for-ios", "name": "Firefox for iOS", "co": 2, "switched_from": 1, "switched_to": 1}, {"slug": "zen", "name": "Zen", "co": 3, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 1}, {"slug": "vivaldi", "name": "Vivaldi", "co": 3, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 1}, {"slug": "ublock-origin-lite", "name": "uBlock Origin Lite", "co": 2, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 1}], "makers": [{"id": 792147120, "item_id": 49509195, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49509195", "by": "codetiger", "date": "2026-08-31", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Am building tools around the same concept", "excerpt": "Agree with this approach. Am building tools around the same concept 80% solid base and rest of for the custom business logic. https://github.com/GoPlasmatic/Orion", "context": "", "use_case": "solid base plus custom business logic", "switched_from": "", "story": "Malleable software = solid bases and custom code"}, {"id": 785308560, "item_id": 49081785, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49081785", "by": "codetiger", "date": "2026-07-28", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I decided to take a career break and build an open source project to manage services better.", "excerpt": "I decided to take a career break and build an open source project to manage services better. Feedbacks are welcome, product is too early for adoption. https://github.com/GoPlasmatic/Orion Design principles: * Isolate business logic from service framework using declarative coding * Make the logic representation machine-writable so AI is a first-class author * Treat business logic as versioned data, not compiled servic", "context": "", "use_case": "declarative service logic management", "switched_from": "", "story": "What Even Are Microservices?"}, {"id": 744878240, "item_id": 46554890, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46554890", "by": "freediver", "date": "2026-01-09", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "business model of Orion is you are the customer and can pay for it", "excerpt": "Kagi founder here. Orion isn't open source yet primarily because we're a 5-person team that spent 6+ years building this and created significant IP doing so, and we're not in a position to defend our work against a well-funded company using it as a base (we care very much about the business model of the browser surviving). Restrictive licenses help in theory but enforcing them against a company with a larger legal bu", "context": "Kagi founder", "use_case": "WebKit-based browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux"}], "threads": [{"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49941447", "title": "An Update on Orion for Linux and Windows", "mentions": 11}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48970894", "title": "Orion Browser by Kagi", "mentions": 11}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46047350", "title": "Orion 1.0", "mentions": 10}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46553343", "title": "Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux", "mentions": 6}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49521973", "title": "Introducing Ad Blocker for Firefox on iOS", "mentions": 4}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49006195", "title": "Back to Kagi", "mentions": 3}], "sentiment_by_month": {"2025-11": {"recommend": 5, "neutral": 3, "warn": 1, "compare": 1}, "2025-12": {"recommend": 2, "warn": 1}, "2026-01": {"recommend": 2, "neutral": 3}, "2026-02": {}, "2026-03": {}, "2026-04": {}, "2026-05": {}, "2026-06": {"warn": 3, "recommend": 2}, "2026-07": {"warn": 4, "compare": 1, "recommend": 5, "neutral": 4}, "2026-08": {"neutral": 1, "recommend": 2, "warn": 2}, "2026-09": {"neutral": 2, "recommend": 5}, "2026-10": {"warn": 3, "neutral": 4, "recommend": 6}}, "quotes": [{"id": 803232848, "item_id": 50202053, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50202053", "by": "cosmic_cheese", "date": "2026-10-22", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I switched to Orion when it was announced that Arc was going on maintenance mode.", "excerpt": "For now, yes. For a while Arc was my main, but I switched to Orion when it was announced that Arc was going on maintenance mode. Since then I've waffled between Orion and Safari.", "context": "", "use_case": "web browsing", "switched_from": "Arc", "story": "A farewell to Arc browser"}, {"id": 801233922, "item_id": 50077120, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50077120", "by": "LoganDark", "date": "2026-10-13", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I have an instance of Orion for spreadsheets.", "excerpt": "Here are some reasons I don't use Safari in place of Chrome for certain things: - it doesn't like to serialize the state of tabs. Chrome is pretty good at somehow snapshotting the entire state of tabs to the point where it can be reconstructed after relaunch, even offline. - webpage loading is sort of janky. Chrome will show the webpage streaming in live, but Safari will simply freeze in place until it's done. Maybe ", "context": "", "use_case": "spreadsheets", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple's new 'Switch to Safari' campaign details why you should ditch Chrome"}, {"id": 799201264, "item_id": 49950079, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49950079", "by": "ToyKeeper", "date": "2026-10-04", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Impractical to support: Orion", "excerpt": "Dang, looking at this later, I realize I forgot again that HN doesn't support common list formatting. If I put one \"- item\" per line, it joins them all into a single paragraph. And now it's too late to edit. It should work if I put a blank line between each item though. That last bit was supposed to say: - Supported: Firefox, Chrome, Edge, Floorp, Chromium, Brave, Vivaldi, Librewolf, Waterfox, Ungoogled Chromium, Tho", "context": "browser extension developer", "use_case": "browser extension testing", "switched_from": "", "story": "An Update on Orion for Linux and Windows"}, {"id": 799185072, "item_id": 49949067, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49949067", "by": "shakow", "date": "2026-10-03", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "for my usage, Orion empirically clearly buries Vivaldi & Firefox.", "excerpt": "That's interesting, because that has not been my experience at all \u2013 for my usage, Orion empirically clearly buries Vivaldi & Firefox. Granted, I used Vivaldi rather than Chromium, but I don't expect it to have such a noticeable difference w.r.t. Chrome.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "An Update on Orion for Linux and Windows"}, {"id": 799150528, "item_id": 49946908, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49946908", "by": "flkiwi", "date": "2026-10-03", "stance": "warn", "quote": "The experience on macOS, linux, and iOS was as bad as the Kagi Search experience is good.", "excerpt": "I used Orion, briefly. The experience on macOS, linux, and iOS was as bad as the Kagi Search experience is good. I hope this is the start of the Kagi team ditching distractions and sidebars and focusing on the thing that makes me a paying customer in the first place.", "context": "", "use_case": "web browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "An Update on Orion for Linux and Windows"}, {"id": 799137120, "item_id": 49946070, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49946070", "by": "SoftTalker", "date": "2026-10-03", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use Orion because it's not a product of Apple or Google.", "excerpt": "Browser diversity is a good thing. We've seen what happens when one huge monopoly dominates the browser landscape. Twice now, first with IE and then Chrome. I use Orion because it's not a product of Apple or Google. There's no reason the browser should be a product of the same company who made the OS.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "An Update on Orion for Linux and Windows"}, {"id": 799117248, "item_id": 49944828, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49944828", "by": "ivanjermakov", "date": "2026-10-03", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I used it on iOS for ad blocking until uBlock's release", "excerpt": "I used it on iOS for ad blocking until uBlock's release https://apps.apple.com/pl/app/ublock-origin-lite/id6745342698", "context": "iOS user", "use_case": "ad blocking on iOS", "switched_from": "", "story": "An Update on Orion for Linux and Windows"}, {"id": 799110496, "item_id": 49944406, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49944406", "by": "mxuribe", "date": "2026-10-03", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I'm happy that at least they'll open source it and have a community continue it forward.", "excerpt": "I'm not a kagi subscriber (yet), but am more and more becoming a fan of them and their approaches. I count myself as one of the folks who was thrilled about this web browser, because as much as i love firefox, we need diversity. Ok, ok, not too too much fragmentation...but still we need offerings to help people. So, while i was hopeful for kagi folks to keep working on orion i'm happy that at least they'll open sourc", "context": "", "use_case": "web browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "An Update on Orion for Linux and Windows"}, {"id": 799105552, "item_id": 49944097, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49944097", "by": "frenchtoast8", "date": "2026-10-03", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I like Orion, and I use it on some of my devices.", "excerpt": "I feel the same way. I like Orion, and I use it on some of my devices. But if I could choose I\u2019d rather the company focus on Kagi development. There are a good number of bugs and feature requests that have been \u201cplanned\u201d for months/years that I would be very happy to finally get fixed.", "context": "", "use_case": "web browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "An Update on Orion for Linux and Windows"}, {"id": 799089968, "item_id": 49943123, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49943123", "by": "ajdude", "date": "2026-10-03", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use Orion (because pay for Orion Plus to support them) specifically because it is not a fork of Chromium.", "excerpt": "I use Orion (because pay for Orion Plus to support them) specifically because it is not a fork of Chromium. We need more rendering engines out there in the wild, as the situation with chrome's monopoly is already critically dire.", "context": "Orion Plus subscriber", "use_case": "web browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "An Update on Orion for Linux and Windows"}, {"id": 799086080, "item_id": 49942880, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49942880", "by": "springtimesun", "date": "2026-10-03", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "The browser is fine. It does have bugs and needs to be hard closed occasionally.", "excerpt": "The way I remember it marketed, and the way I originally found it, was as a workaround to setting the default search on iOS. This was before I was conscious of AI and before I remember it being in any of Kagi\u2019s products. I ended up staying because the Adblock is good (search remains good). The browser is fine. It does have bugs and needs to be hard closed occasionally. I agree on the assistant. It is very capable. I ", "context": "", "use_case": "browsing with adblock", "switched_from": "", "story": "An Update on Orion for Linux and Windows"}, {"id": 799084384, "item_id": 49942774, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49942774", "by": "TheCapeGreek", "date": "2026-10-03", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "the niche it solved for me for a while was \"Safari for optimal performance on mac, but with proper extensions like ublock\"", "excerpt": "Anecdotally, the niche it solved for me for a while was \"Safari for optimal performance on mac, but with proper extensions like ublock\". I used it regularly for almost a year, eventually got off because of some UI bugs that came up and because the Safari dev tools feel so clunky/need relearning compared to Chrome & FF.", "context": "Mac user", "use_case": "Safari-like browsing with extensions", "switched_from": "", "story": "An Update on Orion for Linux and Windows"}, {"id": 799075008, "item_id": 49942188, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49942188", "by": "delis-thumbs-7e", "date": "2026-10-03", "stance": "warn", "quote": "then it started getting weird bugs", "excerpt": "Maybe it is for better. I used Orion as my main browser for awhile on iOS, but then it started getting weird bugs. Now I have both Safari and Firefox open all the time and watch yt on Brave. I try to see if they got Orion to behave again, but find a bit difficult to trust it as the main browser.", "context": "", "use_case": "iOS browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "An Update on Orion for Linux and Windows"}, {"id": 798188112, "item_id": 49886757, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49886757", "by": "billbrown", "date": "2026-09-29", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I switched to Orion from Brave and have _mostly_ been pleased with it.", "excerpt": "WebKit-based is probably the next best alternative. I switched to Orion from Brave and have _mostly_ been pleased with it. (I do miss the Chrome DevTools but eventually I'll get used to these.) https://orionbrowser.com/", "context": "", "use_case": "web browsing", "switched_from": "Brave", "story": "I switched to Brave"}, {"id": 796854528, "item_id": 49803408, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49803408", "by": "Teever", "date": "2026-09-22", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use the Orion browser on my iPhone and it doesn\u2019t have ads.", "excerpt": "I use the Orion browser on my iPhone and it doesn\u2019t have ads. I also don\u2019t install the YouTube app so I use the browser to visit the YouTube site and have an ad free experience and can even have audio playing on it while the screen is off or I\u2019m in another app so it\u2019s an objectively better experience than using an android device with the YouTube app that is automatically installed on it.", "context": "iPhone user", "use_case": "ad-free browsing on iPhone", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple has added persistent 'ads' to iOS, and it's driving users crazy"}, {"id": 794198336, "item_id": 49637396, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49637396", "by": "wpm", "date": "2026-09-10", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I literally said I use Orion with the \"always use desktop mode\"", "excerpt": "\"Researching things on the go\" is not a niche use case. I literally said I use Orion with the \"always use desktop mode\". Do you have experience with that on an iPhone? If not, how would you know that it will default to the website optimized for mobile? The iPad Mini doesn't have the same dimensions or aspect ratio, so its on screen keyboard experience cannot compare. The Mini in portrait orientation is almost an inch", "context": "iPhone user", "use_case": "researching on the go on iPhone", "switched_from": "", "story": "iPhone Duo"}, {"id": 794115344, "item_id": 49632209, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49632209", "by": "wpm", "date": "2026-09-09", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "using Orion and locking it to \"always show me desktop mode\"", "excerpt": "I'm someone who often thinks of things to cook while grocery shopping. Oh theres such-and-such on sale, oooh they started carrying X, what the hell is that what can I use that in, that sort of thing. When that happens I'll often want to look up recipes for that stuff right there in the store. The web has gone to trash. The mobile web is even worse. Adblockers can only help so much, its just that everyone dumbs everyt", "context": "", "use_case": "desktop-mode browsing on phone", "switched_from": "", "story": "iPhone Duo"}, {"id": 793351232, "item_id": 49584452, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49584452", "by": "krnrrr", "date": "2026-09-06", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "it's a great browser and i'm looking forward for it to keep up with the counterparts.", "excerpt": "i try to use it as my second browser (just to see whether it could be the first one). and the only thing that keeps me off - not all extensions are supported _at full fledge_. e.g. surfingkeys (for vim-mode) which i've been using pre-dominantly for many-many years in FF. apart from that i love the experience. it's a great browser and i'm looking forward for it to keep up with the counterparts.", "context": "", "use_case": "second browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Hang on to Your Firefox"}, {"id": 792622304, "item_id": 49538894, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49538894", "by": "ethansinjin", "date": "2026-09-02", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "Orion offers custom support for WebExtensions but it\u2019s basically requiring them to manually check and port WebExtensions to work well with WebKit, one by one.", "excerpt": "Apple doesn\u2019t allow other apps to use Safari extensions (edit: on iOS or iPadOS) Orion offers custom support for WebExtensions but it\u2019s basically requiring them to manually check and port WebExtensions to work well with WebKit, one by one. Check out: https://help.kagi.com/orion/browser-extensions/macos-extensi... https://help.kagi.com/orion/browser-extensions/ios-ipados-ex...", "context": "", "use_case": "browser extensions on iOS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Introducing Ad Blocker for Firefox on iOS"}, {"id": 792435809, "item_id": 49527238, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49527238", "by": "eikenberry", "date": "2026-09-01", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "This is why I use the Orion browser on iOS.", "excerpt": "It doesn't block the inline ads between story and comments on reddit.. my benchmark for browser ad blocking and ublock-origin is one of the few (only?) that does it. This is why I use the Orion browser on iOS.", "context": "iOS user", "use_case": "iOS browser with uBlock Origin", "switched_from": "", "story": "Introducing Ad Blocker for Firefox on iOS"}, {"id": 792375104, "item_id": 49523444, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49523444", "by": "temp0826", "date": "2026-09-01", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "have been using Orion exclusively for a while now", "excerpt": "Just mentioned in another comment, but I'm not sure Firefox on iOS can actually use webkit content blockers? (I thought it could but have been using Orion exclusively for a while now)", "context": "", "use_case": "iOS browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "Introducing Ad Blocker for Firefox on iOS"}, {"id": 792374496, "item_id": 49523406, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49523406", "by": "temp0826", "date": "2026-09-01", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "Been using Orion for a while now", "excerpt": "I was under the impression that firefox could already use the Safari \"content blockers\" (as it uses webkit) like Firefox Focus and uBO Lite, but I'm not seeing that option actually. Been using Orion for a while now so not sure if that changed or I'm just misremembering it.", "context": "", "use_case": "iOS browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "Introducing Ad Blocker for Firefox on iOS"}, {"id": 792249649, "item_id": 49515603, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49515603", "by": "latexr", "date": "2026-08-31", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Or Orion, I guess, but it\u2019s not good enough to offset Safari\u2019s iCloud Private Relay.", "excerpt": "> Why not just use Safari? I use Safari, but don\u2019t really like it. I don\u2019t want to use Chrome or Chromium derivatives and Firefox doesn\u2019t support AppleScript (that\u2019s essential for me), so all that\u2019s left is Safari. Or Orion, I guess, but it\u2019s not good enough to offset Safari\u2019s iCloud Private Relay. Things I dislike about Safari include not being able to setup alternative search bar engines other than the awful defaul", "context": "", "use_case": "web browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Google Has Removed MV2 Extensions from the Chrome Web Store, Including UBO"}, {"id": 789185920, "item_id": 49324120, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49324120", "by": "ghostly_s", "date": "2026-08-16", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Orion's implementation just silently kills your extension threads when the memory manager wants the space then never restarts them.", "excerpt": "I too switched to Orion for the extensions, then when I noticed they had gone about two years with regular updates but not one that addressed the performance of extensions, (their one killer feature) I switched back. I would love to have my extensions on mobile, but Orion's implementation just silently kills your extension threads when the memory manager wants the space then never restarts them.", "context": "", "use_case": "iOS browser with extensions", "switched_from": "Firefox", "story": "Firefox for iOS now has a native adblocker"}, {"id": 789161984, "item_id": 49322624, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49322624", "by": "klardotsh", "date": "2026-08-16", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I had to start using Orion because Firefox iOS sucks so much.", "excerpt": "I have been, on desktop and back when I used Android. When I kicked deGoogled Android out of my life and went to iOS where most things Just Work \u2122 and I could stop thinking about my phone and its bugs, I had to start using Orion because Firefox iOS sucks so much. This news from TFA is the biggest step in the right direction; I might be able to use Firefox mobile again finally.", "context": "former deGoogled Android user, now on iOS", "use_case": "iOS browser", "switched_from": "Firefox for iOS", "story": "Firefox for iOS now has a native adblocker"}, {"id": 788955840, "item_id": 49309740, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49309740", "by": "bartvbl", "date": "2026-08-15", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Kagi's Orion browser is a far as I know the only one on iOS that supports proper Firefox extensions, including ublock and others.", "excerpt": "Kagi's Orion browser is a far as I know the only one on iOS that supports proper Firefox extensions, including ublock and others. You may want to give that a try.", "context": "", "use_case": "iOS browser with extensions", "switched_from": "", "story": "Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin"}, {"id": 788950416, "item_id": 49309401, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49309401", "by": "willis936", "date": "2026-08-15", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "It's still a little too rough around the edges to recommend as a daily driver though.", "excerpt": ">it should be literally built into the browser Orion does this. It's still a little too rough around the edges to recommend as a daily driver though.", "context": "", "use_case": "browser with built-in uBlock Origin", "switched_from": "", "story": "Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin"}, {"id": 784274769, "item_id": 49017173, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49017173", "by": "Melatonic", "date": "2026-07-22", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "And Orion as well.", "excerpt": "Kagi is awesome. Highly recommend it. And Orion as well. The combo of NextDNS + Kagi + occasional VPN (currently on Windscribe since they had a deal through Kagi and seem to have the most real vs fake VPN endpoints) is super seamless and easy", "context": "", "use_case": "browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Back to Kagi"}, {"id": 784272561, "item_id": 49017035, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49017035", "by": "delis-thumbs-7e", "date": "2026-07-22", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use their Orion -browser and its summarise -function, which is very good.", "excerpt": "Kagi is great. The search gives you the actual thing you are looking for, but also their translate tool is very nifty, and their LLM assistants are actually better for my purposes than Anthropic or whatever. I have tried the same models via openrouter, but can\u2019t get as good responses, so there\u2019s something very clever they do with their harness. I use their Orion -browser and its summarise -function, which is very goo", "context": "", "use_case": "browser with summarise", "switched_from": "", "story": "Back to Kagi"}, {"id": 784103617, "item_id": 49006476, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49006476", "by": "imzadi", "date": "2026-07-22", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I even use Orion on ios and wish there was an Android version.", "excerpt": "I've switched to Kagi full time. I even use Orion on ios and wish there was an Android version. Kagi translate is superior to Google translate, also. I love that it gives me a more direct translation and then suggests alternatives and tells me what situations they would work best in.", "context": "", "use_case": "iOS browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Back to Kagi"}, {"id": 783684675, "item_id": 48980292, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48980292", "by": "mediumsmart", "date": "2026-07-20", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "librewolf - same as Orion: 18.29 fingerprint uniqueness", "excerpt": "fair enough - librewolf - same as Orion: 18.29 fingerprint uniqueness - I dont know the other browsers except Tor. I use librewolf too with privacy badger and librejs - good browser", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Orion Browser by Kagi"}, {"id": 783660496, "item_id": 48978781, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48978781", "by": "tunapizza", "date": "2026-07-20", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "It's the one thing that forced me off of Orion and back to Firefox.", "excerpt": "I'm a heavy user of Google Drive, Docs, Sheets etc. for work. Does the suite work better with Orion now? It's the one thing that forced me off of Orion and back to Firefox. Or perhaps I need to really invest in finding a functional alternative to the Google suite. And I'm reading that Orion supports containers now, which is a feature I also love.", "context": "heavy user of Google Drive, Docs, Sheets for work", "use_case": "browsing with Google Docs", "switched_from": "", "story": "Orion Browser by Kagi"}, {"id": 783659232, "item_id": 48978702, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48978702", "by": "nunez", "date": "2026-07-20", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "It's almost there for me, but the lack of history sync between devices and its battery consumption are dealbreakers for me. I love it otherwise!!!", "excerpt": "Tried Orion again two weeks ago. It's almost there for me, but the lack of history sync between devices and its battery consumption are dealbreakers for me. I love it otherwise!!!", "context": "", "use_case": "browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "Orion Browser by Kagi"}, {"id": 783656608, "item_id": 48978538, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48978538", "by": "deaton", "date": "2026-07-20", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I might have to give this a try.", "excerpt": "A browser option that isn't a Chromium reskin and isn't Firefox... it does seem like a while since we've seen one of those. I've used Kagi a bit and I've been pretty impressed with how well they desloppify their results. I might have to give this a try.", "context": "", "use_case": "browsing", "switched_from": "", "story": "Orion Browser by Kagi"}, {"id": 783655248, "item_id": 48978453, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48978453", "by": "theoneone", "date": "2026-07-20", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I switched from brave(ios) to Orion about a month ago and almost I didn't look back.", "excerpt": "I switched from brave(ios) to Orion about a month ago and almost I didn't look back. Some ui bug and certain website bit playing along(reddit) but it's OK.", "context": "iOS user", "use_case": "mobile browsing", "switched_from": "Brave", "story": "Orion Browser by Kagi"}, {"id": 783622352, "item_id": 48976397, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976397", "by": "darkamaul", "date": "2026-07-20", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I have switched from Firefox to Orion on my iPhone a year ago (potentially more?) and had a great experience.", "excerpt": "I have quite the opposite view here. I have switched from Firefox to Orion on my iPhone a year ago (potentially more?) and had a great experience. Sure they are sometimes some buggy UI controls (like the focus not working), but for the most part, the experience has been smooth. Did you try to report the bugs when you had some? Maybe this could help everyone else using the browser.", "context": "iPhone user", "use_case": "iPhone browser", "switched_from": "Firefox", "story": "Orion Browser by Kagi"}, {"id": 783582385, "item_id": 48973899, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48973899", "by": "xando", "date": "2026-07-19", "stance": "warn", "quote": "due to bugs and battery drain, I had to switch back (to Safari!)", "excerpt": "Happy Kagi user. I switched to Orion at some point, but due to bugs and battery drain, I had to switch back (to Safari!) As soon as those are fixed, I\u2019m back again. I\u2019d also pay for it, if that changes anything. Actually, I would pay for the browser, period, if it was good, respected privacy, was efficient and fast on mobile, and synced things between devices.", "context": "", "use_case": "web browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Orion Browser by Kagi"}, {"id": 783579104, "item_id": 48973694, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48973694", "by": "sodapopcan", "date": "2026-07-19", "stance": "warn", "quote": "there were just too many bugs and I have been using Firefox since", "excerpt": "I paid the one-time fee that gives you lifetime access to it over a year ago and it's been at least a year that I haven't used it (It was like $270USD or something... I can't remember). I wanted to, and still want to, like it so badly but there were just too many bugs and I have been using Firefox since. Every once in a while I come back to Orion to see what's up... Now... this is likely going to sound extremely stup", "context": "paid lifetime license", "use_case": "web browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Orion Browser by Kagi"}, {"id": 783575504, "item_id": 48973469, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48973469", "by": "8jy89hui", "date": "2026-07-19", "stance": "warn", "quote": "", "excerpt": "I tried using Orion mobile for months but I just kept running into so many UI bugs that I had to switch away from it :(. I love Kagi, but Orion just feels unpolished right now", "context": "", "use_case": "mobile browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Orion Browser by Kagi"}, {"id": 783567728, "item_id": 48972983, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48972983", "by": "MrDrMcCoy", "date": "2026-07-19", "stance": "compare", "quote": "I love the feature set and layout, but it's been unusable for me as a daily driver on Linux from various bugs.", "excerpt": "Depends on the platform, I expect. I love the feature set and layout, but it's been unusable for me as a daily driver on Linux from various bugs. I'll be giving it another honest go when it's out of beta.", "context": "Linux user", "use_case": "daily browser on Linux", "switched_from": "", "story": "Orion Browser by Kagi"}, {"id": 776142961, "item_id": 48508935, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48508935", "by": "LoganDark", "date": "2026-06-12", "stance": "warn", "quote": "it was so unstable I had to switch away because it kept crashing, glitching and exploding in memory usage", "excerpt": "I tried Kagi, but it never had the results I wanted, while Google did. If Google didn't have them, Kagi wouldn't either. At some point Kagi refunded my subscription price (due to my non-usage) enough times I canceled it -- I love the idea, in fact I purchased Orion Plus Lifetime and I wholeheartedly support their cause, they just simply don't have Google's breadth of index. (Speaking of Orion, I used it as a daily dr", "context": "", "use_case": "daily browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Kagi Magic"}, {"id": 775623744, "item_id": 48476484, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48476484", "by": "mead5432", "date": "2026-06-10", "stance": "warn", "quote": "I loved Orion and have been using as a daily driver almost since day 1 including paying for it but now it\u2019s completely unusable.", "excerpt": "What about the glaring memory issues that is a pinned thread in your forum? It\u2019s had one comment by a staff member over 5 or so months? I loved Orion and have been using as a daily driver almost since day 1 including paying for it but now it\u2019s completely unusable. I\u2019ve since moved to Firefox. The fact that a pinned thread was silent for months concerns me about the future of Orion. It honestly hurts to see.", "context": "paying Orion customer", "use_case": "daily browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Google Chrome is killing all uBlock Origin bypasses, Edge, Opera to follow"}, {"id": 741239264, "item_id": 46327454, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46327454", "by": "kerkeslager", "date": "2025-12-19", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Currently on mobile I use Orion--it's the only mobile browser I've found where setting up AdBlocking is reasonably easy.", "excerpt": "I'm concerned, and I am glad people keep writing about this. But the final bit in this post is really where I'm at: I have no idea where to go from here. Currently on mobile I use Orion--it's the only mobile browser I've found where setting up AdBlocking is reasonably easy. Maybe I'll try it on Desktop. But this doesn't really address the issue of there being only one rendering engine out there because it uses WebKit", "context": "", "use_case": "mobile browser with ad blocking", "switched_from": "", "story": "Is Firefox Firefucked?"}, {"id": 740815281, "item_id": 46300955, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46300955", "by": "ajdude", "date": "2025-12-17", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I switched to Orion (and use Safari if a site doesn't work in Orion), which can be a little buggy at times but I'm happy that it's not based on chrome", "excerpt": "I'm going to repost/merge a few comments I made about this a while ago: I dropped firefox 9 months so after they updated their privacy policy and removed \"we don't sell your data\" from their FAQ: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213612 Mozilla has hired a lot of execs from Meta and bought an ad company, looking through a lot of their privacy policy at the time, a lot of it involves rewriting it to say that they", "context": "", "use_case": "browser", "switched_from": "Firefox", "story": "Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?"}]}