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Because all people I talk to that use it as a daily driver in enterprise have only said it keeps getting better and better. Microsoft took a safer approach to copilot rollout because of enterprise data protection, OpenAI/Anthropic rolled out their best to get people hooked and elected to figure out the data protection later.", "context": "", "use_case": "enterprise AI assistant", "switched_from": "", "story": "Microsoft abandons personal AI chatbot race with Copilot reboot"}, {"id": 750216448, "item_id": 46888528, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46888528", "by": "PaulHoule", "date": "2026-02-04", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I think the plain ordinary chatbot behind the Copilot on the desktop is fine", "excerpt": "I think the plain ordinary chatbot behind the Copilot on the desktop is fine, it seems like a skin around ChatGPT-5 in the \"Smart\" mode and in the \"Search\" mode it compares to Google's AI mode. When it comes to anything multimodal it is an absolute disaster. Show it a photo of a plant for a plant id? Forget about it, just take a picture of the screen on your phone with Google Lens. 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Which actually caused quite a bit of problems with Teams original because it REALLY expects you to use exchange - You use OneDrive for storage For large files only, or files that are shared in chat - Yo", "context": "runs Linux; company mostly on Windows", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Microsoft Teams is a red flag"}, {"id": 800296433, "item_id": 50018527, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50018527", "by": "Quothling", "date": "2026-10-09", "stance": "warn", "quote": "The copilot part of it runs \"unlimited\" on the license. Except it's not unlimited", "excerpt": "It's cowork. I'm in enterprise in the EU, so we're more restricted in what we use. My issue is mainly with how impossible it is to do any form of reporting on this. Obviously this isn't the most popular opinion among the people subject to it, but for most things we do in the Microsoft enterprise setup we can basically monitor every thing a device does. With Cowork you can't even see which individual task is eating a ", "context": "enterprise admin in the EU", "use_case": "enterprise AI assistant", "switched_from": "", "story": "Why isn't the industry freaking out about DeepSeek 4.1 Flash?"}, {"id": 797569840, "item_id": 49848115, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49848115", "by": "schwarzrules", "date": "2026-09-25", "stance": "warn", "quote": "it loads up an unproductive Copilot experience that is awful", "excerpt": "Just going to use this thread to also add a nit: I hate that Microsoft made all the OEMs add a Copilot key to all their laptop keyboards. It's been Ctrl forever, and suddently they throw this net-negative key onto the keyboard. I have decades of habit of using the right side Ctrl key for varying shortcut strokes, and then when I use it now it loads up an unproductive Copilot experience that is awful. <end rant>", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Microsoft abandons personal AI chatbot race with Copilot reboot"}, {"id": 796836272, "item_id": 49802267, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49802267", "by": "busssard", "date": "2026-09-22", "stance": "warn", "quote": "i am getting brain cancer using it, especially being used to claude max from before.", "excerpt": "copilot is doing the same. i just joined a corporate and they only allow copilot. i am getting brain cancer using it, especially being used to claude max from before. but cost is a thing, if i use the LLM gateway for a chatGPT-5.4 i am quickly (3 days of very light use) on 50$ in token. and everyone and their intern are using copilot. As azure has the guarantee that company data will not leak they are taking the bait", "context": "joined a corporate that only allows Copilot", "use_case": "corporate AI assistant", "switched_from": "", "story": "MiMo v2.6"}]}], "who": [{"by": "OGWhales", "context": "uses it through their company", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49851706", "date": "2026-09-25"}, {"by": "wolvoleo", "context": "employee with Copilot usage KPIs", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47358776", "date": "2026-03-12"}, {"by": "PaulHoule", "context": "JetBrains enthusiast", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46888528", "date": "2026-02-04"}, {"by": "Havoc", "context": "uses employer-paid enterprise version", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46226565", "date": "2025-12-10"}], "tags": [], "use_cases": ["enterprise ai assistant", "chat assistant at work", "corporate ai assistant", "writing posts", "ai-assisted sdk development", "programming and office"], "compared": [{"slug": "chatgpt", "name": "ChatGPT", "co": 2, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "onedrive", "name": "OneDrive", "co": 2, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 0}], "makers": [], "threads": [{"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49844896", "title": "Microsoft abandons personal AI chatbot race with Copilot reboot", "mentions": 3}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50130228", "title": "Microsoft Teams is a red flag", "mentions": 1}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50000488", "title": "Why isn't the industry freaking out about DeepSeek 4.1 Flash?", "mentions": 1}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49792730", "title": "MiMo v2.6", "mentions": 1}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49477600", "title": "\u201cIt works better in the app\u201d", "mentions": 1}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48413629", "title": "Ask HN: What is your (AI) dev tech stack / workflow? 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Which actually caused quite a bit of problems with Teams original because it REALLY expects you to use exchange - You use OneDrive for storage For large files only, or files that are shared in chat - Yo", "context": "runs Linux; company mostly on Windows", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Microsoft Teams is a red flag"}, {"id": 800296433, "item_id": 50018527, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50018527", "by": "Quothling", "date": "2026-10-09", "stance": "warn", "quote": "The copilot part of it runs \"unlimited\" on the license. Except it's not unlimited", "excerpt": "It's cowork. I'm in enterprise in the EU, so we're more restricted in what we use. My issue is mainly with how impossible it is to do any form of reporting on this. Obviously this isn't the most popular opinion among the people subject to it, but for most things we do in the Microsoft enterprise setup we can basically monitor every thing a device does. With Cowork you can't even see which individual task is eating a ", "context": "enterprise admin in the EU", "use_case": "enterprise AI assistant", "switched_from": "", "story": "Why isn't the industry freaking out about DeepSeek 4.1 Flash?"}, {"id": 798077248, "item_id": 49879828, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49879828", "by": "chris_money202", "date": "2026-09-28", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "all people I talk to that use it as a daily driver in enterprise have only said it keeps getting better and better.", "excerpt": "Are you using Copilot as a daily driver? Because all people I talk to that use it as a daily driver in enterprise have only said it keeps getting better and better. Microsoft took a safer approach to copilot rollout because of enterprise data protection, OpenAI/Anthropic rolled out their best to get people hooked and elected to figure out the data protection later.", "context": "", "use_case": "enterprise AI assistant", "switched_from": "", "story": "Microsoft abandons personal AI chatbot race with Copilot reboot"}, {"id": 797627296, "item_id": 49851706, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49851706", "by": "OGWhales", "date": "2026-09-25", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I use it in the browser instead of teams/the desktop app", "excerpt": "I think I am! I use it in the browser instead of teams/the desktop app, but my understanding is that it should be the same thing. I do know most people don\u2019t have the premium license for it at my company, not 100% sure what difference that makes but they say it\u2019s better somehow and has access to better models, or at least did at one point. But yeah, comparing to codex/claude code was a bit silly since those can do wa", "context": "uses it through their company", "use_case": "chat assistant at work", "switched_from": "", "story": "Microsoft abandons personal AI chatbot race with Copilot reboot"}, {"id": 797569840, "item_id": 49848115, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49848115", "by": "schwarzrules", "date": "2026-09-25", "stance": "warn", "quote": "it loads up an unproductive Copilot experience that is awful", "excerpt": "Just going to use this thread to also add a nit: I hate that Microsoft made all the OEMs add a Copilot key to all their laptop keyboards. It's been Ctrl forever, and suddently they throw this net-negative key onto the keyboard. I have decades of habit of using the right side Ctrl key for varying shortcut strokes, and then when I use it now it loads up an unproductive Copilot experience that is awful. <end rant>", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Microsoft abandons personal AI chatbot race with Copilot reboot"}, {"id": 796836272, "item_id": 49802267, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49802267", "by": "busssard", "date": "2026-09-22", "stance": "warn", "quote": "i am getting brain cancer using it, especially being used to claude max from before.", "excerpt": "copilot is doing the same. i just joined a corporate and they only allow copilot. i am getting brain cancer using it, especially being used to claude max from before. but cost is a thing, if i use the LLM gateway for a chatGPT-5.4 i am quickly (3 days of very light use) on 50$ in token. and everyone and their intern are using copilot. As azure has the guarantee that company data will not leak they are taking the bait", "context": "joined a corporate that only allows Copilot", "use_case": "corporate AI assistant", "switched_from": "", "story": "MiMo v2.6"}, {"id": 791703857, "item_id": 49481491, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49481491", "by": "PaulHoule", "date": "2026-08-28", "stance": "warn", "quote": "don't know how to write?  Microsoft Copilot will do it for you, etc.", "excerpt": "I love it how a normal social network makes a \"ding\" sound when somebody likes your post but LinkedIn gives you a \"ding\" for just posting anything at all! Overall it is a place that sends the message that \"standards are low here\"; don't know how to write? Microsoft Copilot will do it for you, etc.", "context": "", "use_case": "writing posts", "switched_from": "", "story": "\u201cIt works better in the app\u201d"}, {"id": 774656880, "item_id": 48416055, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48416055", "by": "c-smile", "date": "2026-06-05", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "The answer was good enough for me and so I went with it further.", "excerpt": "I've spent 2 weeks (2-4h per day) to make D language[1] version of Sciter SDK [2] Choice of AI \"tooling\" was by accident - typed something like \"how to define copy constructor in D for custom structure\" in Microsoft's Copilot in Edge browser that gives context for AI. The answer was good enough for me and so I went with it further. [1] D language HQ : https://dlang.org/ [2] AI-Assisted Development with D Language, Cr", "context": "", "use_case": "AI-assisted SDK development", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: What is your (AI) dev tech stack / workflow? (June 2026)"}, {"id": 762130435, "item_id": 47633152, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47633152", "by": "gogurt2000", "date": "2026-04-03", "stance": "warn", "quote": "like Edge, OneDrive, Copilot, etc.", "excerpt": "Windows: - Bloat: software packages and services that cannot be entirely removed (at least not without 3rd party tools) like Edge, OneDrive, Copilot, etc. - Requiring a MS account - Their focus on adding new features and changing visual elements to make things feel fresh (and justify their asking price) at the cost of stability -- both in terms of system stability (it's absurd how often file explorer windows crash in", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: What do you dislike most about Linux and Windows?"}, {"id": 761826241, "item_id": 47614140, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47614140", "by": "Weatherill", "date": "2026-04-02", "stance": "warn", "quote": "MS Copilot refuses to follow the logic", "excerpt": "Grappling with the clash between RLHF values and User values (HITL). I Have attempted to build a logic-funneling system: (Ethical Chess v2.5) + (AI) + (User)= Value-Coherence. Using pain as a vector (Pain=an \"is\" & an \"ought) Self-Defense= Immutable-veracity (User bassline) Proxy-Pain= (The Agape horizon) Human-Coherence // Network-Dependency. This funnels the Users context via homeostatic checks for divergence into ", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Show HN: A Homeostatic Logic-Funnel to Prevent RLHF Overrides in LLM Personas"}, {"id": 757740416, "item_id": 47358776, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47358776", "by": "wolvoleo", "date": "2026-03-12", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "For programming I find it pretty useful. For MS Office it's so far not a hell of a lot more useful than clippy.", "excerpt": "Not seeing this yet but our place is still trying to figure things out. We have strong KPIs on how much we use copilot so I must say woof woof to it every day or so to make sure it shows me as an active user (luckily it only shows the latest date someone has used it in each application). For programming I find it pretty useful. For MS Office it's so far not a hell of a lot more useful than clippy. The one thing it's ", "context": "employee with Copilot usage KPIs", "use_case": "programming and Office", "switched_from": "", "story": "Amazon Employees Say AI Is Just Increasing Workload"}, {"id": 750216448, "item_id": 46888528, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46888528", "by": "PaulHoule", "date": "2026-02-04", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I think the plain ordinary chatbot behind the Copilot on the desktop is fine", "excerpt": "I think the plain ordinary chatbot behind the Copilot on the desktop is fine, it seems like a skin around ChatGPT-5 in the \"Smart\" mode and in the \"Search\" mode it compares to Google's AI mode. When it comes to anything multimodal it is an absolute disaster. Show it a photo of a plant for a plant id? Forget about it, just take a picture of the screen on your phone with Google Lens. If you ask it to draw something or ", "context": "JetBrains enthusiast", "use_case": "command line and Git advice", "switched_from": "", "story": "Microsoft's Pivotal AI Product Is Running into Big Problems"}, {"id": 740106320, "item_id": 46256645, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46256645", "by": "bane", "date": "2025-12-13", "stance": "warn", "quote": "cancerous spread of this worthless garbage technology", "excerpt": "I don't know why my sense of ethical outrage over the cancerous spread of this worthless garbage technology doesn't extend so hard to LG in this. But I've finally just hit the wall with Microsoft. Between all the forced account sign-ins, ads, random reboots and updates that aren't for the purpose of securing the OS...I'm done. I haven't seen this level of anti-consumer nonsense from Microsoft since the late 90s when ", "context": "Linux home server user, Windows daily driver", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "LG TV's new software update installed MS Copilot, which cannot be deleted"}, {"id": 739625040, "item_id": 46226565, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46226565", "by": "Havoc", "date": "2025-12-10", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I use the employer paid enterprise versions. Works well", "excerpt": "I use the employer paid enterprise versions. Works well\u2026which you\u2019d hope for the fancy version The normal consumer accessible one in contrast routinely gives me broken incomplete output Idk MS you\u2019re not gonna win with a chatbot that doesn\u2019t chat complete stuff", "context": "uses employer-paid enterprise version", "use_case": "chatbot at work", "switched_from": "", "story": "Microsoft Scales Back AI Goals Because Almost Nobody Is Using Copilot"}, {"id": 739336240, "item_id": 46208515, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46208515", "by": "Elfener", "date": "2025-12-09", "stance": "warn", "quote": "their slop generator (which they want everyone to know about)", "excerpt": "My favourite thing about the \"Copilot\" branding is that Microsoft had to rename their existing Xbox feature named \"Copilot\": https://support.xbox.com/en-US/help/account-profile/accessibility/copilot Obviously so no one confuses their slop generator (which they want everyone to know about) with a (probably, I don't have an Xbox) useful feature.", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "What's Next? Clippy Copilot?"}, {"id": 739134224, "item_id": 46195889, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46195889", "by": "danielmarkbruce", "date": "2025-12-08", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use various co-pilot features at work, they are very helpful, save me hours", "excerpt": "Counter: I use various co-pilot features at work, they are very helpful, save me hours, and many folks in my team do to.", "context": "", "use_case": "work tasks", "switched_from": "", "story": "Microsoft has a problem: lack of demand for its AI products"}, {"id": 738234176, "item_id": 46139636, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46139636", "by": "lateforwork", "date": "2025-12-03", "stance": "warn", "quote": "I find Microsoft AI to be mostly useless.", "excerpt": "I love AI but I find Microsoft AI to be mostly useless. You'd think that anything called Copilot can do things for you, but most of the time it just gives you text answers. Even when it is in the context of the application it can't give you better answers than ChatGPT, Claude or Perplexity. What is the point of that? Satya has completely wasted their early lead in AI. Google is now the leader.", "context": "", "use_case": "AI assistant", "switched_from": "", "story": "Everyone in Seattle hates AI"}]}