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I'm sure I'll give it a try when it's more mature.", "context": "", "use_case": "non-Chromium browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Is Firefox Firefucked?"}, {"id": 788958896, "item_id": 49309931, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49309931", "by": "armchairhacker", "date": "2026-08-15", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "Ladybird planned to release alpha this year. Unfortunately extensions are unsupported, but maybe soon", "excerpt": "Ladybird planned to release alpha this year. 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When it hits I plan on using it for my daily driver to help them with usage stats and crash reports.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "This Month in Ladybird \u2013 August 2026"}, {"id": 774565152, "item_id": 48410322, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48410322", "by": "patates", "date": "2026-06-05", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I love Ladybird (have a sticker on my laptop to prove!), I hope they thrive.", "excerpt": "When AI first happened, I was afraid I was going to eventually lose my job. And while I've been lucky since, many did, and that hurt a lot. When people are losing something to automation, regardless of the economics of the situation, you cheer for the humans, or at least hope that society keeps being fair to those who are most affected. Now I see communities being affected. 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You praise DHH and Charlie Kirk, your moral compass is broken.", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "This Month in Ladybird \u2013 August 2026"}, {"id": 795838017, "item_id": 49739876, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49739876", "by": "QwenGlazer9000", "date": "2026-09-17", "stance": "warn", "quote": "I haven't been a fan of the direction of the project for a bit.", "excerpt": "I'm glad we have an alternative to ladybird, since I haven't been a fan of the direction of the project for a bit.", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "One year of sponsored Servo development"}, {"id": 776236161, "item_id": 48514760, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48514760", "by": "shevy-java", "date": "2026-06-13", "stance": "warn", "quote": "For a while I had hope that ladybird would be that competitor, but that died", "excerpt": "> We're a niche browser that is lucky enough to get well funded. Now - we really need a viable alternative to the Evil Google Empire. 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For a while I had hope that ladybird would be that competitor, but that died after I was banned from github, as well as Kling making some really strange decisions in the last year or so, with weird explanations; most recent one the \"we don't need external contributors so we close that ", "context": "", "use_case": "alternative browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Leaving Mozilla"}, {"id": 774565152, "item_id": 48410322, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48410322", "by": "patates", "date": "2026-06-05", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I love Ladybird (have a sticker on my laptop to prove!), I hope they thrive.", "excerpt": "When AI first happened, I was afraid I was going to eventually lose my job. And while I've been lucky since, many did, and that hurt a lot. When people are losing something to automation, regardless of the economics of the situation, you cheer for the humans, or at least hope that society keeps being fair to those who are most affected. Now I see communities being affected. When you kill PRs, you not only kill the co", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Changing How We Develop Ladybird"}]}, {"label": "No extensions", "summary": "Browser extensions are not supported yet.", "quotes": [{"id": 788958896, "item_id": 49309931, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49309931", "by": "armchairhacker", "date": "2026-08-15", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "Ladybird planned to release alpha this year. Unfortunately extensions are unsupported, but maybe soon", "excerpt": "Ladybird planned to release alpha this year. Unfortunately extensions are unsupported, but maybe soon: https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/issues/976", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin"}]}, {"label": "No official binaries", "summary": "There are no official builds yet, and building from source took one commenter five hours and about 8 GB.", "quotes": [{"id": 793161233, "item_id": 49572577, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49572577", "by": "strenholme", "date": "2026-09-05", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Ladybird\u2014another completely different web engine\u2014is really promising.", "excerpt": "There\u2019s a reason I use Firefox (Gecko). Also, Ladybird\u2014another completely different web engine\u2014is really promising. I spent five hours building it from source, having it take about 8 gigabytes of space, and it perfectly renders my own webpages and blogs. I have a feeling someone\u2019s going to make an open source browser using Ladybird\u2019s engine before Ladybird has official binaries.", "context": "built it from source", "use_case": "independent web engine", "switched_from": "", "story": "Actively exploited sandbox RCE in all Chromium versions"}, {"id": 732963456, "item_id": 45810216, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45810216", "by": "haunter", "date": "2025-11-04", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I use these on Mac https://sizeof.cat/project/ladybird-builds/", "excerpt": "I use these on Mac https://sizeof.cat/project/ladybird-builds/", "context": "Mac user", "use_case": "trying browser builds on Mac", "switched_from": "", "story": "This Month in Ladybird \u2013 October 2025"}]}, {"label": "Performance work", "summary": "Performance still needs a lot of work.", "quotes": [{"id": 792480336, "item_id": 49530021, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49530021", "by": "nicoburns", "date": "2026-09-02", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "So Ladybird is catching up with the other pretty fast!", "excerpt": "For those interested in how the alternative browsers are doing, I just put up an alternative to https://wpt.fyi (displays the WPT test results of each browser) which is IMO easier to navigate, and shows Servo / Ladybird by default: https://blitz.is/wpt The headline results are: - Chrome 94.7% (1053647/1112582) - Firefox 90.6% (1008073/1112582) - Safari TP 88.7% ( 987377/1112582) - Ladybird 84.2% ( 937019/1112582) - S", "context": "", "use_case": "web standards compatibility", "switched_from": "", "story": "Hang on to Your Firefox"}]}], "who": [{"by": "strenholme", "context": "built it from source", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49572577", "date": "2026-09-05"}, {"by": "shevy-java", "context": "banned from the project site", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47767828", "date": "2026-04-14"}, {"by": "haunter", "context": "Mac user", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45810216", "date": "2025-11-04"}], "tags": ["for Firefox switchers", "for engine-diversity advocates", "for early adopters"], "use_cases": ["browser", "alternative browser", "daily driver browser", "daily browser", "ai browsers", "independent web engine"], "compared": [{"slug": "firefox", "name": "Firefox", "co": 11, "switched_from": 1, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "servo", "name": "Servo", "co": 8, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "chrome", "name": "Chrome", "co": 5, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "blitz", "name": "Blitz", "co": 3, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "chromium", "name": "Chromium", "co": 2, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 0}], "makers": [], "threads": [{"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49527748", "title": "Hang on to Your Firefox", "mentions": 3}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48409191", "title": "Changing How We Develop Ladybird", "mentions": 3}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49571096", "title": "This Month in Ladybird \u2013 August 2026", "mentions": 2}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49303202", "title": "Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin", "mentions": 2}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48513806", "title": "Leaving Mozilla", "mentions": 2}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45809897", "title": "This Month in Ladybird \u2013 October 2025", "mentions": 2}], "sentiment_by_month": {"2025-11": {"neutral": 1, "recommend": 1}, "2025-12": {"neutral": 1, "recommend": 1}, "2026-01": {"neutral": 1}, "2026-02": {"neutral": 1}, "2026-03": {}, "2026-04": {"neutral": 1}, "2026-05": {}, "2026-06": {"recommend": 4, "warn": 1}, "2026-07": {"neutral": 1}, "2026-08": {"neutral": 2}, "2026-09": {"neutral": 1, "recommend": 4, "compare": 1, "warn": 2}, "2026-10": {"warn": 1}}, "quotes": [{"id": 800855602, "item_id": 50053475, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50053475", "by": "shevy-java", "date": "2026-10-12", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Ladybird may be a competitor at one point in time but they ban people from", "excerpt": "> Let\u2019s give it up for Google - the biggest ad company on Earth I think Google needs to be forbidden from causing more damage to the EU market. And there need to be replacements too, once we forbid this Evil entity from sabotaging EU citizens any further. We also need real open browsers not controlled by greedy Ad companies. I am also aware of the irony of using thorium here right now (based on the adChrome code base", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Fingerprints are the new cookies"}, {"id": 795838017, "item_id": 49739876, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49739876", "by": "QwenGlazer9000", "date": "2026-09-17", "stance": "warn", "quote": "I haven't been a fan of the direction of the project for a bit.", "excerpt": "I'm glad we have an alternative to ladybird, since I haven't been a fan of the direction of the project for a bit.", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "One year of sponsored Servo development"}, {"id": 793694352, "item_id": 49605897, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49605897", "by": "KingMob", "date": "2026-09-08", "stance": "warn", "quote": "I would stop using the web forever before I used Ladybird or anything made by Kling.", "excerpt": "Ugh, this guy again. I would stop using the web forever before I used Ladybird or anything made by Kling. You praise DHH and Charlie Kirk, your moral compass is broken.", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "This Month in Ladybird \u2013 August 2026"}, {"id": 793640912, "item_id": 49602557, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49602557", "by": "binarymax", "date": "2026-09-07", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Really excited for alpha. When it hits I plan on using it for my daily driver", "excerpt": "Really excited for alpha. When it hits I plan on using it for my daily driver to help them with usage stats and crash reports.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "This Month in Ladybird \u2013 August 2026"}, {"id": 793380625, "item_id": 49586289, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49586289", "by": "esprehn", "date": "2026-09-06", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I'm more optimistic about AI browsers based on Ladybird or Servo which are actually trying to pass WPTs.", "excerpt": "The implementation of the Web APIs look very broken and incomplete: https://github.com/h4ckf0r0day/obscura/blob/main/crates/obscura-js/js/bootstrap.js This might be faster in some benchmarks, but it's not really implementing the web. I'm more optimistic about AI browsers based on Ladybird or Servo which are actually trying to pass WPTs.", "context": "", "use_case": "AI browsers", "switched_from": "", "story": "Obscura: Native rendering is here. No Chromium required"}, {"id": 793161233, "item_id": 49572577, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49572577", "by": "strenholme", "date": "2026-09-05", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Ladybird\u2014another completely different web engine\u2014is really promising.", "excerpt": "There\u2019s a reason I use Firefox (Gecko). Also, Ladybird\u2014another completely different web engine\u2014is really promising. I spent five hours building it from source, having it take about 8 gigabytes of space, and it perfectly renders my own webpages and blogs. I have a feeling someone\u2019s going to make an open source browser using Ladybird\u2019s engine before Ladybird has official binaries.", "context": "built it from source", "use_case": "independent web engine", "switched_from": "", "story": "Actively exploited sandbox RCE in all Chromium versions"}, {"id": 792483489, "item_id": 49530218, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49530218", "by": "chrysoprace", "date": "2026-09-02", "stance": "compare", "quote": "There's a good chance that I'll move from Firefox when Ladybird reaches feature-parity", "excerpt": "I use Firefox, but Mozilla is increasingly eroding user trust and being primarily funded by Google to avoid a monopoly does not give me confidence either. When Google implement an anti-user feature, Mozilla have to begrudgingly implement it, and that is not a healthy ecosystem. There's a good chance that I'll move from Firefox when Ladybird reaches feature-parity, but they'll likely fall into the non-standard standar", "context": "", "use_case": "future browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Hang on to Your Firefox"}, {"id": 792480336, "item_id": 49530021, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49530021", "by": "nicoburns", "date": "2026-09-02", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "So Ladybird is catching up with the other pretty fast!", "excerpt": "For those interested in how the alternative browsers are doing, I just put up an alternative to https://wpt.fyi (displays the WPT test results of each browser) which is IMO easier to navigate, and shows Servo / Ladybird by default: https://blitz.is/wpt The headline results are: - Chrome 94.7% (1053647/1112582) - Firefox 90.6% (1008073/1112582) - Safari TP 88.7% ( 987377/1112582) - Ladybird 84.2% ( 937019/1112582) - S", "context": "", "use_case": "web standards compatibility", "switched_from": "", "story": "Hang on to Your Firefox"}, {"id": 792466833, "item_id": 49529177, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49529177", "by": "_jackdk_", "date": "2026-09-01", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "It will be interesting to see what happens as Ladybird matures.", "excerpt": "Firefox is great, and I use and recommend it as daily driver, but the actions of Mozilla leadership are really hard to differentiate from deliberately managed decline. It will be interesting to see what happens as Ladybird matures.", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Hang on to Your Firefox"}, {"id": 789021920, "item_id": 49313870, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49313870", "by": "al_borland", "date": "2026-08-15", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "Maybe Ladybird will take users from Chrome when it's ready for general use.", "excerpt": "The pattern I've seen is that people move to a new browser due to speed and bloat. When IE was king, people started moving to Firefox, because it was fast and lean. Over time, it didn't feel so lean anymore, and then Google launched Chrome with TV ads showing how fast it was. Now everyone makes fun of the system resources Chrome requires, but people probably don't see a viable alternative to move to. Firefox is likel", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin"}, {"id": 788958896, "item_id": 49309931, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49309931", "by": "armchairhacker", "date": "2026-08-15", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "Ladybird planned to release alpha this year. Unfortunately extensions are unsupported, but maybe soon", "excerpt": "Ladybird planned to release alpha this year. Unfortunately extensions are unsupported, but maybe soon: https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/issues/976", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin"}, {"id": 785933650, "item_id": 49120853, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49120853", "by": "shevy-java", "date": "2026-07-31", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "ladybird may become an alternative at one point in time, but right now is not", "excerpt": "The biggest bug still has not been fixed here, which is: Google. We really need an alternative to this greedy and evil corporations de-facto controlling a huge portion of the modern www stack. All decision-making processes are here subjugated to what fits Google's adEmpire. This is a perpetual system of control amplifying abusive systems in place. We already see this with the recent age sniffing; Google just yesterda", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Google fixed more Chrome bugs in June than over the past two years, thanks to AI"}, {"id": 776248641, "item_id": 48515540, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48515540", "by": "eklavya", "date": "2026-06-13", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Can't wait for Servo/Ladybird to replace it.", "excerpt": "I used Firefox and made sure everybody in my circle family and social used it. I had donated 5$ to Mozilla when I was making 360$ per month. I believed in mozilla, I was naive. Soon after I learned the money didn't go to Firefox. They soon after launched a political campaign in my country. I realized this and every other fancy they had, was where my money was going. Stopped using it and stopped caring a long while ba", "context": "", "use_case": "browser", "switched_from": "Firefox", "story": "Leaving Mozilla"}, {"id": 776236161, "item_id": 48514760, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48514760", "by": "shevy-java", "date": "2026-06-13", "stance": "warn", "quote": "For a while I had hope that ladybird would be that competitor, but that died", "excerpt": "> We're a niche browser that is lucky enough to get well funded. Now - we really need a viable alternative to the Evil Google Empire. For a while I had hope that ladybird would be that competitor, but that died after I was banned from github, as well as Kling making some really strange decisions in the last year or so, with weird explanations; most recent one the \"we don't need external contributors so we close that ", "context": "", "use_case": "alternative browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Leaving Mozilla"}, {"id": 775557520, "item_id": 48472345, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48472345", "by": "JumpCrisscross", "date": "2026-06-09", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Gecko, WebKit and\u2014hopefully\u2014Ladybird are the true alternatives.", "excerpt": "Won\u2019t Brave follow Google\u2019s lead on this? Gecko, WebKit and\u2014hopefully\u2014Ladybird are the true alternatives. I used to think this was too extreme. But the ad vendor dragging ad blockers out of the engine flipped my view.", "context": "", "use_case": "independent browser engine", "switched_from": "", "story": "Google Chrome is killing all uBlock Origin bypasses, Edge, Opera to follow"}, {"id": 774565152, "item_id": 48410322, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48410322", "by": "patates", "date": "2026-06-05", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I love Ladybird (have a sticker on my laptop to prove!), I hope they thrive.", "excerpt": "When AI first happened, I was afraid I was going to eventually lose my job. And while I've been lucky since, many did, and that hurt a lot. When people are losing something to automation, regardless of the economics of the situation, you cheer for the humans, or at least hope that society keeps being fair to those who are most affected. Now I see communities being affected. When you kill PRs, you not only kill the co", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Changing How We Develop Ladybird"}, {"id": 774559314, "item_id": 48409957, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48409957", "by": "nh2", "date": "2026-06-05", "stance": "warn", "quote": "why would I sink time into a project with such rules that put a barrier to improving my life with the software?", "excerpt": "> There will not be a [..] process for submitting patches by [any] means > Outside involvement still matters: clear bug reports So I can find a bug, I can fix it, but I am not allowed to tell them how exactly I did it. Instead they have to re-figure it out. The team must be thrilled to re-do work they know was already put in by others, repeatedly. As a user-and-eveloper, why would I sink time into a project with such", "context": "developer who contributes patches", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Changing How We Develop Ladybird"}, {"id": 774555168, "item_id": 48409698, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48409698", "by": "shevy-java", "date": "2026-06-05", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "If ladybird fails then the Google empire has won permanently.", "excerpt": "Too early to say. Once they enter \"we now accept everyone to use Ladybird as daily driver\" then there will be the real test phase. And, IMO, only after that phase has started and continued for some months, perhaps even few years, can a final conclusion be made. If ladybird fails then the Google empire has won permanently. Skynet slop will then be under control of Google, just as they stole all the advertisement money", "context": "", "use_case": "daily driver browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Changing How We Develop Ladybird"}, {"id": 764285249, "item_id": 47767828, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47767828", "by": "shevy-java", "date": "2026-04-14", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "it is good that Ladybird exists", "excerpt": "These greedy corporations spy on us. Our data is valueable to them. When someone spies on you, it means they do not trust you. That means we should not trust them either. It's not just merely these giant corporations though. I think the whole business model is broken, if they need to spy on people in order to milk out more profit. One big glaring weakness is ... the browser. I think we need to find a solution here. C", "context": "banned from the project site", "use_case": "alternative browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Google, Microsoft, Meta All Tracking You Even When You Opt Out"}, {"id": 753974848, "item_id": 47123428, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47123428", "by": "Shank", "date": "2026-02-23", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "Ladybird isn\u2019t usable right now", "excerpt": "Completely ignoring the Rust aspect, I\u2019m disappointed that two weeks were spent on something that isn\u2019t getting Ladybird to a state where it can be used as a daily driver. Ladybird isn\u2019t usable right now, and if it was usable, improving the memory safety would be a commendable goal. Right now I just feel like this is premature.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily driver browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ladybird Browser adopts Rust"}, {"id": 745852689, "item_id": 46615793, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46615793", "by": "stephen_g", "date": "2026-01-14", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I still follow blogs and videos about Servo and Ladybird because I\u2019m hopeful we will have some more browser engine diversity someday!", "excerpt": "Probably the best way to get a feel short of actually trying it is to read the monthly reports on their blog [1], it still seems to be not ready to be a daily driver but I still follow blogs and videos about Servo and Ladybird because I\u2019m hopeful we will have some more browser engine diversity someday! 1. https://servo.org/blog/", "context": "", "use_case": "following browser engine progress", "switched_from": "", "story": "Servo 2025 Stats"}, {"id": 742760385, "item_id": 46422524, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46422524", "by": "airhangerf15", "date": "2025-12-29", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "LadyBird is our real hope now, not Servo.", "excerpt": "Mozilla is a hopelessly corrupt organization at this point. At any point they could block support from uBlock Origin working correctly. They still have all their Google money, so they won't be forced to make any real changes. I have been on Librewolf for years. I use it on my personal machine and work machine. I know it's downstream and dependent on Mozilla/Gecko, but it's privacy aware and tries to strip out all the", "context": "", "use_case": "browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Firefox browser falls to AI. What do we do now?"}, {"id": 741269377, "item_id": 46329336, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46329336", "by": "OptionX", "date": "2025-12-19", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I'm sure I'll give it a try when it's more mature.", "excerpt": "I've personally used and still use FF for year and have now no intentions of switching. I don't care about the Ai stuff as long is mostly opt-in or easily disabled at least. Having said that I've been looking forward the Ladybug project as a another browser not part of the chromium swarm. I'm sure I'll give it a try when it's more mature.", "context": "", "use_case": "non-Chromium browser", "switched_from": "", "story": "Is Firefox Firefucked?"}, {"id": 733219872, "item_id": 45826242, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45826242", "by": "bArray", "date": "2025-11-05", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I'm super excited to see this as an alternative to the mainstream browsers.", "excerpt": "Due to getting some funding [1] they have been able to onboard more paid people [2]. I'm super excited to see this as an alternative to the mainstream browsers. It's also interesting how quickly it pulled in-front of projects such as servo that have been going since 2021 and received a lot of backing over that period [3]. 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