{"slug": "grok", "name": "Grok", "category": "ai", "category_name": "AI models and assistants", "description": "xAI's large language model and chatbot assistant, also integrated into X and Cursor.", "recommenders": 53, "commenters": 133, "warners": 29, "score": 34.274, "rising": 17.84, "first": "2025-11-05", "latest": "2026-10-29", "why": "HN commenters like Grok for fast, cheap coding and code review and for direct, well-sourced research answers.", "why_is_quote": false, "has_verdict": true, "sentiment": {"recommend": 56, "neutral": 46, "compare": 8, "warn": 29}, "spark": [2, 1, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 10, 12, 17, 10, 1], "listed": true, "loved": ["Speed", "Price"], "caveat": "Company trust", "short_quote": "I've now switched to Grok 4.6, I was previously using Opus 4.8 but Grok is good enough now, and way cheaper", "icon": true, "domain": "reddit.com", "github_repo": null, "official_url": "https://grok.com", "pricing": "freemium", "aliases": ["Grok", "Grok 4.5", "Grok 4.6", "Grok 4.1"], "verdict": [{"text": "HN commenters like Grok for fast, cheap coding and code review", "cites": [{"id": 788411057, "item_id": 49275691, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49275691", "by": "visopsys", "date": "2026-08-12", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Grok is 3x+ faster than Claude and I can't tell the diff in engineering work quality.", "excerpt": "I use. I used to be a Claude user. Since trying Grok 4.5 and especially Grok 4.6, I don't want to go back to Claude any more (I have early access to 4.6). Grok is 3x+ faster than Claude and I can't tell the diff in engineering work quality. As an engineer, speed is important to me.", "context": "engineer", "use_case": "engineering work", "switched_from": "Claude", "story": "SpaceXAI's Grok 4.6 Scores 61 on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index"}, {"id": 788836272, "item_id": 49302267, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49302267", "by": "melodyogonna", "date": "2026-08-14", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I've now switched to Grok 4.6, I was previously using Opus 4.8 but Grok is good enough now, and way cheaper", "excerpt": "Grok has started competing with frontier models on coding thanks to Cursor's data, with SpaceX's massive compute they can undercut competition on price, which makes the offering real appealing. I've now switched to Grok 4.6, I was previously using Opus 4.8 but Grok is good enough now, and way cheaper which is the important part.", "context": "", "use_case": "coding", "switched_from": "Opus 4.8", "story": "Cursor Is Joining SpaceX"}, {"id": 781646304, "item_id": 48852894, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48852894", "by": "small_model", "date": "2026-07-09", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "So I use Grok Build with 4.5 as its VERY fast and cheap", "excerpt": "Now we have various Opus+ level models (Opus/Fable, Grok 4.5, GPT 5.6) I prefer to focus on price/speed and harness as models are all generally good enough for coding. (Fable is overkill for 90% of work but is still level above). So I use Grok Build with 4.5 as its VERY fast and cheap, Codex is next best for me with sol/lunar 5.6. and Claude Code Fable for the 10% of tasks that need that level of reasoning. However I", "context": "", "use_case": "daily coding", "switched_from": "", "story": "GPT-5.6"}, {"id": 785501008, "item_id": 49093813, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49093813", "by": "Culonavirus", "date": "2026-07-28", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Or try Grok, 4.5 seems pretty capable, should be close to K3 in many coding tasks.", "excerpt": "Or try Grok, 4.5 seems pretty capable, should be close to K3 in many coding tasks. I use it for code review of what other \"stronger\" models shit out (like Sol) and it constantly finds even pretty big bugs or just not robust enough solutions (Sol tends to overengineer, yes, but I'm not so sure it overengineers the right parts, so far my experience woth it has been mid. Except it understanding my drawings and collages ", "context": "", "use_case": "code review", "switched_from": "", "story": null}]}, {"text": " and for direct, well-sourced research answers.", "cites": [{"id": 794073408, "item_id": 49629588, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49629588", "by": "hbn", "date": "2026-09-09", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Grok is my go-to LLM for research not because I care for Elon Musk but because it's really good.", "excerpt": "Grok is my go-to LLM for research not because I care for Elon Musk but because it's really good. I'm not even sure if I'm paying for it? I have an X Premium account but I don't know if that's giving me more Grok usage or what. Either way, its research mode is very good and frequently pulls off tasks the competitors struggle with in my experience.", "context": "", "use_case": "research", "switched_from": "", "story": "Muse \u2013 Meta\u2019s personal AI agent"}, {"id": 792831984, "item_id": 49551999, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49551999", "by": "bluecalm", "date": "2026-09-03", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "It's my favorite chat box for general use.", "excerpt": "It's my favorite chat box for general use. I used to cross post my questions to Opus/Fable and GPT Sol via Open Router but these days I just use Grok. I prefer its style, it's very good at searching and referencing sources. Doesn't make you feel like a genius (Gemini) but also isn't condescending (like Claude).", "context": "", "use_case": "general chat and search", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok outage"}, {"id": 788467072, "item_id": 49279192, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49279192", "by": "sedivy94", "date": "2026-08-12", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Grok is indeed fact/truth oriented, direct, and less personable (which I vastly prefer).", "excerpt": "I\u2019m not doing any coding with AI, so I\u2019m the odd one out. Mostly use it for research: information retrieval and grokking technical concepts for exam prep. Does that fall within \u201cknowledge work\u201d? Anywho - I switched to Opus last week and felt torn. It\u2019s displayed somewhat higher competency in some responses, and the artifacts (diagrams) are splendid, but I despise its writing style. Grok is indeed fact/truth oriented,", "context": "Uses AI for research, not coding", "use_case": "research and exam prep", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok 4.6"}]}, {"text": " The most common complaints are distrust of the company's data handling and conduct", "cites": [{"id": 788396144, "item_id": 49274759, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49274759", "by": "Someone1234", "date": "2026-08-12", "stance": "warn", "quote": "My organization has outright banned Grok, because we don't trust SpaceX to hold up to contractual agreements vis-a-vis data-privacy/training.", "excerpt": "I'd start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok_(chatbot)#Controversies_and_criticisms And here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok_sexual_deepfake_scandal I think polarizing is a generous way of describing the problems. My organization has outright banned Grok, because we don't trust SpaceX to hold up to contractual agreements vis-a-vis data-privacy/training. That's the level of reputational damage we're talking ", "context": "works at an organization that banned Grok", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok 4.6"}, {"id": 782837281, "item_id": 48927330, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48927330", "by": "ahmadyan", "date": "2026-07-15", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "if you like grok-4.5 model (it is a good model)", "excerpt": "i think xai is now in pure damage control mode, after they caught exfiltrating data from users. - There is a huge difference between logging user queries (which would include only the portion the model is reading) and exfiltrating user data (including env files, entire source code etc) which is what grok-build did here (https://github.com/xai-org/grok-build/blob/main/crates/codegen/xai-grok-shell/src/upload/trace.rs)", "context": "", "use_case": "coding model via API", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok Build Is OSS"}, {"id": 791638321, "item_id": 49477395, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49477395", "by": "walrus01", "date": "2026-08-28", "stance": "warn", "quote": "grok uploads your entire code base", "excerpt": "This is why I run opencode and similar things in a dedicated KVM virtual machine that lives on a system under my desk that doesn't have access to my user account data, documents folder, photos/video, ~/.ssh/, other API keys, ~/.anything-else/, you name it. I think it's absolutely wild that there are people out there running cutting-edge LLMs and agent harnesses and tools on the same hardware and same user/disk/sessio", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "AI Agent Has Root"}, {"id": 788399394, "item_id": 49274962, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49274962", "by": "calldacopsidgaf", "date": "2026-08-12", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Literal trash for nazis.", "excerpt": "Literal trash for nazis. By the way if you're looking to get off of Cursor since X.ai bought them, I switched to Zed a few weeks ago and out-of-the-box it does everything Cursor can without charging you their dumbass premium. The transition is pretty much seamless", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok 4.6"}, {"id": 787027968, "item_id": 49189248, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49189248", "by": "ratelimitsteve", "date": "2026-08-05", "stance": "warn", "quote": "When people started using Grok to make CSAM the platform's response was to paywall image generation.", "excerpt": "We used to say computers can't make decisions because they can't meaningfully be held responsible for those decisions. Now the vibe seems to be that computers should make decisions because instead of anyone being held responsible we can just say \"the computer made a mistake and it is very sorry\" and effectively shield anyone from being responsible. But the thing is, machines don't do stuff. Not from a responsibility ", "context": "", "use_case": "image generation", "switched_from": "", "story": "Meta Ran Ads That Contained AI-Generated Child Sexual Abuse Imagery"}]}, {"text": ", plus confident answers that are often wrong.", "cites": [{"id": 803404144, "item_id": 50212759, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50212759", "by": "Breza", "date": "2026-10-23", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Grok is the most confident of any model I use. Unfortunately, it is also the most often incorrect.", "excerpt": "I've had a similar experience. Grok is the most confident of any model I use. Unfortunately, it is also the most often incorrect.", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Anthropic logged net loss of over $80B in first half of 2026"}, {"id": 787103088, "item_id": 49193943, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49193943", "by": "archievillain", "date": "2026-08-06", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Grok is subject to hallucinations has been caught making up posts wholesale.", "excerpt": "The translation feature was always there, they just made it so you don't have to press a button to translate a post. Which I guess is nice, but it's like a minor client-side setting. On the other hand, they switched from Google Translate to Grok, which means that now you can't even really trust the translation because, even ignoring the inherent imprecision of an automatic translation tool, Grok is subject to halluci", "context": "", "use_case": "translation on X", "switched_from": "", "story": "Nikita Bier Steps Down as Head of Product at X"}, {"id": 789365953, "item_id": 49335372, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49335372", "by": "dllu", "date": "2026-08-17", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Grok and Gemini both failed in a similar way.", "excerpt": "No pre-prompting, although I can't be sure it didn't use memories. \"No tools\" should theoretically have prevented it from looking up memories. FWIW, Grok and Gemini both failed in a similar way. With Python, it was able to successfully solve it in 9 minutes: https://chatgpt.com/s/t_6a8350ecddfc81919328caf68de74861 The real pain point is that at work, I use Codex and I'm currently working on a project that involves de", "context": "", "use_case": "vision puzzle", "switched_from": "", "story": "GPT 5.6 Sol is the best \"vision\" model OpenAI ever released"}]}], "praise": [{"label": "Speed", "summary": "Many say it is much faster than Claude, which keeps coding sessions interactive.", "quotes": [{"id": 788411057, "item_id": 49275691, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49275691", "by": "visopsys", "date": "2026-08-12", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Grok is 3x+ faster than Claude and I can't tell the diff in engineering work quality.", "excerpt": "I use. I used to be a Claude user. Since trying Grok 4.5 and especially Grok 4.6, I don't want to go back to Claude any more (I have early access to 4.6). Grok is 3x+ faster than Claude and I can't tell the diff in engineering work quality. As an engineer, speed is important to me.", "context": "engineer", "use_case": "engineering work", "switched_from": "Claude", "story": "SpaceXAI's Grok 4.6 Scores 61 on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index"}, {"id": 784631376, "item_id": 49039461, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49039461", "by": "adamtaylor_13", "date": "2026-07-24", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "This is part of why I switched to Grok 4.5", "excerpt": "This is part of why I switched to Grok 4.5 I don't need more powerful models, I need one that responds fast enough that my attention doesn't wander to other tasks. Grok 4.5 is so fast I can just use it in-band without swapping to other tasks. Slower than Opus 4.8, which was already miserably slow, is indeed a step in the wrong direction.", "context": "", "use_case": "fast in-band AI assistance", "switched_from": "Opus 4.8", "story": "Claude Opus 5"}, {"id": 788785889, "item_id": 49299118, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49299118", "by": "fourseventy", "date": "2026-08-14", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I hopped over to Grok4.6 after the announcement the other day and its been pretty good so far. It also is very fast.", "excerpt": "Opus 5 is so wordy, it doesn't feel any better than 4.8 at coding (at least not for what I use it for), I hopped over to Grok4.6 after the announcement the other day and its been pretty good so far. It also is very fast.", "context": "", "use_case": "coding", "switched_from": "Opus 5", "story": "Why does Opus 5 feel worse to work with?"}]}, {"label": "Price", "summary": "Seen as cheap for its capability, by API and through Cursor or SuperGrok.", "quotes": [{"id": 788836272, "item_id": 49302267, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49302267", "by": "melodyogonna", "date": "2026-08-14", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I've now switched to Grok 4.6, I was previously using Opus 4.8 but Grok is good enough now, and way cheaper", "excerpt": "Grok has started competing with frontier models on coding thanks to Cursor's data, with SpaceX's massive compute they can undercut competition on price, which makes the offering real appealing. I've now switched to Grok 4.6, I was previously using Opus 4.8 but Grok is good enough now, and way cheaper which is the important part.", "context": "", "use_case": "coding", "switched_from": "Opus 4.8", "story": "Cursor Is Joining SpaceX"}, {"id": 781589056, "item_id": 48849316, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48849316", "by": "mchusma", "date": "2026-07-09", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "\"opus level intelligence for haiku prices\" which is a really big deal for application developers", "excerpt": "Yeah, this is most directly comparable to xAI Grok 4.5. In both cases, directionally \"opus level intelligence for haiku prices\" which is a really big deal for application developers who want to include models like this in their applications. I have been testing switching out haiku and sonnet for Grok 4.5, and may give this a try too (it is quite a bit cheaper, particularly for cached).", "context": "application developer", "use_case": "model in applications", "switched_from": "Haiku", "story": "Introducing Muse Spark 1.1"}, {"id": 788826608, "item_id": 49301663, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49301663", "by": "satvikpendem", "date": "2026-08-14", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "it's quite a good deal from the Cursor subscription side but it's cheap even by API prices.", "excerpt": "You should check out Grok, it's quite a good deal from the Cursor subscription side but it's cheap even by API prices.", "context": "", "use_case": "coding", "switched_from": "", "story": "Qwen3.8-27B"}]}, {"label": "Coding", "summary": "Considered a capable implementation model, some say near Opus level.", "quotes": [{"id": 788400960, "item_id": 49275060, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49275060", "by": "cjalmeida", "date": "2026-08-12", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "In my experience Grok 4.5 codes at Opus 4.8 level, and being much faster as cheaper", "excerpt": "In my experience Grok 4.5 codes at Opus 4.8 level, and being much faster as cheaper, I can just ask it to do self-review and the final reviewed code is _better_ than Opus 4.8 for the same time/budget. But Opus 5/4.8 was better for non-code architecture discussions and general intelligence. However, for the cost, I'd use GPT 5.6 Sol and get much better results. Interestingly, Sol is not great for coding - slow and ove", "context": "", "use_case": "coding", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok 4.6"}, {"id": 796642720, "item_id": 49790170, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49790170", "by": "sejje", "date": "2026-09-21", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I find it to be a perfectly capable model for implementation", "excerpt": "If you haven't used it, how do you know if it's winning? I think it's winning on UI for normies (grok bot) and they made some claims about being pareto SOTA (lowest cost per task completed) a while back with 4.6. I find it to be a perfectly capable model for implementation (there are many in this class--deepseek flash, spark1.3, luna, etc). I find the usage to be very generous w/ supergrok. I find the model to be jus", "context": "has SuperGrok subscription", "use_case": "implementation coding", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok 4.7"}, {"id": 788440688, "item_id": 49277543, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49277543", "by": "vlucas", "date": "2026-08-12", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use Grok 4.5 High Fast in Cursor (Agentic window), and it's a genuinely great model.", "excerpt": "I use Grok 4.5 High Fast in Cursor (Agentic window), and it's a genuinely great model. I don't give a shit about Elon's politics in the same way I don't give a shit about Dario or Altman's politics.", "context": "", "use_case": "coding", "switched_from": "", "story": "SpaceXAI's Grok 4.6 Scores 61 on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index"}]}, {"label": "Code review", "summary": "Used as a reviewer that finds bugs other models missed.", "quotes": [{"id": 798700448, "item_id": 49918778, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49918778", "by": "petesergeant", "date": "2026-10-01", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "$20 a month each for Grok and GLM have easily paid for themselves by finding bugs that my main work models didn\u2019t", "excerpt": "While that\u2019s true, I have found Gemini models to be exclusively good for data extraction, and absolutely terrible at everything else. I pay for lots of models because they\u2019re good at different things: $20 a month each for Grok and GLM have easily paid for themselves by finding bugs that my main work models didn\u2019t, but I\u2019m yet to have any Gemini model find a real bug, and Gemini\u2019s results for general work will sometim", "context": "pays for many models", "use_case": "finding bugs", "switched_from": "", "story": "Gemini 4 Argon (High): Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis"}, {"id": 785501008, "item_id": 49093813, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49093813", "by": "Culonavirus", "date": "2026-07-28", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Or try Grok, 4.5 seems pretty capable, should be close to K3 in many coding tasks.", "excerpt": "Or try Grok, 4.5 seems pretty capable, should be close to K3 in many coding tasks. I use it for code review of what other \"stronger\" models shit out (like Sol) and it constantly finds even pretty big bugs or just not robust enough solutions (Sol tends to overengineer, yes, but I'm not so sure it overengineers the right parts, so far my experience woth it has been mid. Except it understanding my drawings and collages ", "context": "", "use_case": "code review", "switched_from": "", "story": null}, {"id": 787668674, "item_id": 49229292, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49229292", "by": "petesergeant", "date": "2026-08-09", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use Sol and Grok 4.5 as my inline debuggers/reviewers, and both do well", "excerpt": "I would love to be shilling for Anthropic, but I am not. I am part of a group of about 30 developers, and 80% of them are using Fable 5 and very sold on it, with the remainder being committed to Sol. Both are competent, but among our set (who will try anything), Fable 5 is definitely winning. The fucking refusals for security work are insane though, and I hate them. I use Sol and Grok 4.5 as my inline debuggers/revie", "context": "part of a group of about 30 developers", "use_case": "inline debugging and code review", "switched_from": "", "story": "DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731"}]}, {"label": "Research", "summary": "Praised for research mode and searching and referencing sources.", "quotes": [{"id": 794073408, "item_id": 49629588, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49629588", "by": "hbn", "date": "2026-09-09", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Grok is my go-to LLM for research not because I care for Elon Musk but because it's really good.", "excerpt": "Grok is my go-to LLM for research not because I care for Elon Musk but because it's really good. I'm not even sure if I'm paying for it? I have an X Premium account but I don't know if that's giving me more Grok usage or what. Either way, its research mode is very good and frequently pulls off tasks the competitors struggle with in my experience.", "context": "", "use_case": "research", "switched_from": "", "story": "Muse \u2013 Meta\u2019s personal AI agent"}, {"id": 796630080, "item_id": 49789380, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49789380", "by": "artemonster", "date": "2026-09-21", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "grok does good research and produces less bullshit, especially when prompted to be critical of an idea", "excerpt": "I used openrouter to send same prompt to qwen, derpseek, gemini and grok and found that grok does good research and produces less bullshit, especially when prompted to be critical of an idea", "context": "", "use_case": "research", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok 4.7"}, {"id": 792831984, "item_id": 49551999, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49551999", "by": "bluecalm", "date": "2026-09-03", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "It's my favorite chat box for general use.", "excerpt": "It's my favorite chat box for general use. I used to cross post my questions to Opus/Fable and GPT Sol via Open Router but these days I just use Grok. I prefer its style, it's very good at searching and referencing sources. Doesn't make you feel like a genius (Gemini) but also isn't condescending (like Claude).", "context": "", "use_case": "general chat and search", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok outage"}]}, {"label": "Direct style", "summary": "Users like its concise, direct, less personable responses.", "quotes": [{"id": 788457937, "item_id": 49278621, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49278621", "by": "mpalczewski", "date": "2026-08-12", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "It communicates better.", "excerpt": "I've been using grok 4.5 with grok build soon after it came out and dropped claude. primarily for personal code. It communicates better. While that might not sound like a big deal it is. It doesn't give me a wall of text, tells me what I need to know and I'll make the actual decisions. It is very quick as well which means the sessions are far more interactive, I'll be steering it more. I sometimes cross check with co", "context": "", "use_case": "coding assistance", "switched_from": "Claude", "story": "SpaceXAI's Grok 4.6 Scores 61 on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index"}, {"id": 788467072, "item_id": 49279192, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49279192", "by": "sedivy94", "date": "2026-08-12", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Grok is indeed fact/truth oriented, direct, and less personable (which I vastly prefer).", "excerpt": "I\u2019m not doing any coding with AI, so I\u2019m the odd one out. Mostly use it for research: information retrieval and grokking technical concepts for exam prep. Does that fall within \u201cknowledge work\u201d? Anywho - I switched to Opus last week and felt torn. It\u2019s displayed somewhat higher competency in some responses, and the artifacts (diagrams) are splendid, but I despise its writing style. Grok is indeed fact/truth oriented,", "context": "Uses AI for research, not coding", "use_case": "research and exam prep", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok 4.6"}, {"id": 796654656, "item_id": 49790916, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49790916", "by": "eknkc", "date": "2026-09-21", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Recently added Grok and it has somehow bacome my second most used model.", "excerpt": "I am subscribed to ChatGPT, Claude, Kimi and GLM coding plans. 200$ one on GPT and the 20$ ish ones on all others. Recently added Grok and it has somehow bacome my second most used model. For daily one off questions I prefer it because it is fast enough and I like the way it responds. I also use it for basic research like \u201cfind me a battery drill for this and that\u201d. Kimi and GLM feel extremely coding oriented. I use ", "context": "subscribed to several AI coding plans", "use_case": "daily questions and basic research", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok 4.7"}]}], "caveats": [{"label": "Company trust", "summary": "Some reject it over the owner's conduct and platform controversies.", "quotes": [{"id": 788399394, "item_id": 49274962, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49274962", "by": "calldacopsidgaf", "date": "2026-08-12", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Literal trash for nazis.", "excerpt": "Literal trash for nazis. By the way if you're looking to get off of Cursor since X.ai bought them, I switched to Zed a few weeks ago and out-of-the-box it does everything Cursor can without charging you their dumbass premium. The transition is pretty much seamless", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok 4.6"}, {"id": 787027968, "item_id": 49189248, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49189248", "by": "ratelimitsteve", "date": "2026-08-05", "stance": "warn", "quote": "When people started using Grok to make CSAM the platform's response was to paywall image generation.", "excerpt": "We used to say computers can't make decisions because they can't meaningfully be held responsible for those decisions. Now the vibe seems to be that computers should make decisions because instead of anyone being held responsible we can just say \"the computer made a mistake and it is very sorry\" and effectively shield anyone from being responsible. But the thing is, machines don't do stuff. Not from a responsibility ", "context": "", "use_case": "image generation", "switched_from": "", "story": "Meta Ran Ads That Contained AI-Generated Child Sexual Abuse Imagery"}, {"id": 784675584, "item_id": 49042224, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49042224", "by": "mukbangpervert", "date": "2026-07-24", "stance": "warn", "quote": "US military leadership switched to Grok, whose leader had no such qualms", "excerpt": "The IRGC is a morally abhorrent organization. You'll never hear me argue otherwise. They victimize not only their neighbors, but also their own populace. Also, the US bombing of the Iranian school was not a \"grave mistake\", it was the predictable result of reckless and incompetent leadership. Other AI partners had stated that fully automated target selection without a human in the loop could be catastrophic -- and in", "context": "", "use_case": "automated target selection", "switched_from": "", "story": "IRGC Claims It Destroyed Amazon's Bahrain Data Center"}]}, {"label": "Data privacy", "summary": "Reports of Grok Build uploading code bases and an organizational ban over data concerns.", "quotes": [{"id": 782837281, "item_id": 48927330, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48927330", "by": "ahmadyan", "date": "2026-07-15", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "if you like grok-4.5 model (it is a good model)", "excerpt": "i think xai is now in pure damage control mode, after they caught exfiltrating data from users. - There is a huge difference between logging user queries (which would include only the portion the model is reading) and exfiltrating user data (including env files, entire source code etc) which is what grok-build did here (https://github.com/xai-org/grok-build/blob/main/crates/codegen/xai-grok-shell/src/upload/trace.rs)", "context": "", "use_case": "coding model via API", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok Build Is OSS"}, {"id": 791638321, "item_id": 49477395, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49477395", "by": "walrus01", "date": "2026-08-28", "stance": "warn", "quote": "grok uploads your entire code base", "excerpt": "This is why I run opencode and similar things in a dedicated KVM virtual machine that lives on a system under my desk that doesn't have access to my user account data, documents folder, photos/video, ~/.ssh/, other API keys, ~/.anything-else/, you name it. I think it's absolutely wild that there are people out there running cutting-edge LLMs and agent harnesses and tools on the same hardware and same user/disk/sessio", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "AI Agent Has Root"}, {"id": 788396144, "item_id": 49274759, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49274759", "by": "Someone1234", "date": "2026-08-12", "stance": "warn", "quote": "My organization has outright banned Grok, because we don't trust SpaceX to hold up to contractual agreements vis-a-vis data-privacy/training.", "excerpt": "I'd start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok_(chatbot)#Controversies_and_criticisms And here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok_sexual_deepfake_scandal I think polarizing is a generous way of describing the problems. My organization has outright banned Grok, because we don't trust SpaceX to hold up to contractual agreements vis-a-vis data-privacy/training. That's the level of reputational damage we're talking ", "context": "works at an organization that banned Grok", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok 4.6"}]}, {"label": "Accuracy", "summary": "Described as confidently incorrect and prone to hallucination.", "quotes": [{"id": 803404144, "item_id": 50212759, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50212759", "by": "Breza", "date": "2026-10-23", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Grok is the most confident of any model I use. Unfortunately, it is also the most often incorrect.", "excerpt": "I've had a similar experience. Grok is the most confident of any model I use. Unfortunately, it is also the most often incorrect.", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Anthropic logged net loss of over $80B in first half of 2026"}, {"id": 787103088, "item_id": 49193943, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49193943", "by": "archievillain", "date": "2026-08-06", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Grok is subject to hallucinations has been caught making up posts wholesale.", "excerpt": "The translation feature was always there, they just made it so you don't have to press a button to translate a post. Which I guess is nice, but it's like a minor client-side setting. On the other hand, they switched from Google Translate to Grok, which means that now you can't even really trust the translation because, even ignoring the inherent imprecision of an automatic translation tool, Grok is subject to halluci", "context": "", "use_case": "translation on X", "switched_from": "", "story": "Nikita Bier Steps Down as Head of Product at X"}, {"id": 789365953, "item_id": 49335372, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49335372", "by": "dllu", "date": "2026-08-17", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Grok and Gemini both failed in a similar way.", "excerpt": "No pre-prompting, although I can't be sure it didn't use memories. \"No tools\" should theoretically have prevented it from looking up memories. FWIW, Grok and Gemini both failed in a similar way. With Python, it was able to successfully solve it in 9 minutes: https://chatgpt.com/s/t_6a8350ecddfc81919328caf68de74861 The real pain point is that at work, I use Codex and I'm currently working on a project that involves de", "context": "", "use_case": "vision puzzle", "switched_from": "", "story": "GPT 5.6 Sol is the best \"vision\" model OpenAI ever released"}]}, {"label": "Weaker than rivals", "summary": "Some find it behind Opus or useless for tasks like writing critique.", "quotes": [{"id": 794779985, "item_id": 49673749, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49673749", "by": "Cakez0r", "date": "2026-09-12", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Grok is capable, but disappointing compared to Opus.", "excerpt": "I've been trying Grok 4.6 (High) alongside Claude Opus 5 (High). Grok is capable, but disappointing compared to Opus. My experience with Grok has also made me a little skeptical of benchmarks, because the two models benchmark similarly but it (subjectively) feels like there is quite a big capability gap between the two.", "context": "", "use_case": "coding", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: What default model do you use and why?"}, {"id": 789589794, "item_id": 49349362, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49349362", "by": "bjourne", "date": "2026-08-18", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Whereas Grok is absolutely useless at it", "excerpt": "I use LLMs to criticize my writing. Whereas Grok is absolutely useless at it, I can actually get Claude and ChatGPT to give me reasonable feedback. They point out when I've forgotten an \"s\" after the verb, when \"which\" may be preferable to \"that\", and so on. However, I'm completely incapable of getting the bots to generate even half-decent code: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48637538 Maybe it's a skill issue a", "context": "", "use_case": "writing feedback", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: Do you feel comfortable admitting that you use AI?"}, {"id": 797690594, "item_id": 49855662, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49855662", "by": "assimpleaspossi", "date": "2026-09-26", "stance": "warn", "quote": "The code they supplied to me has NEVER worked or was so convoluted that I threw it away and did it myself.", "excerpt": "I find it strange to see people writing articles like this as if everyone has used AI for decades. I've programmed for decades. I thought I retired three years ago but got an offer I couldn't refuse. Already there were little things I'd forgotten how to use. Over the past six months I tried using Claude, chatgpt, Grok and Gemini. At best I got reminders of how things worked. People online say they use them to write t", "context": "", "use_case": "coding help", "switched_from": "", "story": "One Month Without AI"}]}, {"label": "Bias", "summary": "Some commenters raise concerns about political slant in its answers.", "quotes": [{"id": 790145874, "item_id": 49384117, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49384117", "by": "lemontheme", "date": "2026-08-20", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Grok will tell me that wikipedia is \u2018woke\u2019", "excerpt": "Hah, I use the same probe when I\u2019m unsure which provider openrouter is routing me to! Fwiw, deepseek v4 will happily discuss it. Only chinese providers will stop it in its tracks and give a canned answer. Streamed responses sometimes start with what the model was actually generating before it got cut off. It\u2019s top bad, really. Sometimes the Chinese providers are the model labs themselves, like deepseek. I\u2019d like my m", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Stealth Model"}, {"id": 802397024, "item_id": 50149814, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50149814", "by": "Tepix", "date": "2026-10-19", "stance": "warn", "quote": "AFAIK X published their algorithm which more or less just says: \"we use grok to decide which posts to show\".", "excerpt": "Here's just one example: https://www.itechguides.com/elon-says-hes-working-to-fix-grok-after-ai-disagrees-with-him-on-right-wing-violence/ AFAIK X published their algorithm which more or less just says: \"we use grok to decide which posts to show\".", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Neural networks are clean"}]}, {"label": "Speed varies", "summary": "A few found some versions slow.", "quotes": [{"id": 795807040, "item_id": 49737940, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49737940", "by": "raunaksingwi", "date": "2026-09-17", "stance": "warn", "quote": "But I am not liking them much. And they are extremely slow as well.", "excerpt": "I have been using Grok models lately, just because I am on the cursor subscription. I got the cursor subscription because I liked it's cloud coding environment better than the others. But I am not liking them much. And they are extremely slow as well.", "context": "", "use_case": "coding via Cursor", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: What default model do you use and why?"}, {"id": 796707841, "item_id": 49794240, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49794240", "by": "the_sleaze_", "date": "2026-09-21", "stance": "warn", "quote": "4.6 was a slower less enjoyable version of that.", "excerpt": "I didn't find 4.6 any better than Composer 2.5 - which remains incredible and honestly nothing else compares for me. Make a galaxy model search the space, create a document, argue and defend decisions, then hand it to 2.5 to implement. 4.6 was a slower less enjoyable version of that. 4.7 is better at \"I want the button to cancel the jobs, dont make any mistakes\" but honestly that's not what I use it's class for.", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok 4.7"}]}], "who": [{"by": "boogiefromzk", "context": "built an agentic delegation scheme", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50251451", "date": "2026-10-26"}, {"by": "eluusive", "context": "has Pro max subs for Claude, Codex, Grok, and Google AI", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50074656", "date": "2026-10-13"}, {"by": "petesergeant", "context": "pays for many models", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49918778", "date": "2026-10-01"}, {"by": "hcurtiss", "context": "amateur building self-hosted apps, has SuperGrok with X Premium+", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49808104", "date": "2026-09-22"}, {"by": "artdigital", "context": "SuperGrok subscriber", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49796557", "date": "2026-09-22"}, {"by": "eknkc", "context": "subscribed to several AI coding plans", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49790916", "date": "2026-09-21"}, {"by": "sejje", "context": "has SuperGrok subscription", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49790170", "date": "2026-09-21"}, {"by": "fsniper", "context": "new to electronics", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49740207", "date": "2026-09-17"}, {"by": "sedivy94", "context": "Uses AI for research, not coding", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49279192", "date": "2026-08-12"}, {"by": "porridgeraisin", "context": "runs ML experiments on limited GPUs", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49277527", "date": "2026-08-12"}, {"by": "visopsys", "context": "engineer with early access", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49275691", "date": "2026-08-12"}, {"by": "satvikpendem", "context": "app developer", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48980099", "date": "2026-07-20"}], "tags": ["for coding in Cursor", "for code review", "for research", "for security work", "for video generation"], "use_cases": ["coding", "image generation", "research", "engineering work", "voice chat", "generating a vibe-coded app"], "compared": [{"slug": "claude", "name": "Claude", "co": 41, "switched_from": 3, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "chatgpt", "name": "ChatGPT", "co": 29, "switched_from": 4, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "claude-opus", "name": "Claude Opus", "co": 24, "switched_from": 3, "switched_to": 1}, {"slug": "gemini", "name": "Gemini", "co": 26, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "codex", "name": "Codex", "co": 20, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "cursor", "name": "Cursor", "co": 17, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "deepseek", "name": "DeepSeek", "co": 14, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "claude-code", "name": "Claude Code", "co": 12, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 1}], "makers": [], "threads": [{"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49274027", "title": "Grok 4.6", "mentions": 9}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49788838", "title": "Grok 4.7", "mentions": 8}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49275385", "title": "SpaceXAI's Grok 4.6 Scores 61 on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index", "mentions": 6}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48835111", "title": "Grok 4.5", "mentions": 6}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49672966", "title": "Ask HN: What default model do you use and why?", "mentions": 5}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49551589", "title": "Grok outage", "mentions": 3}], "sentiment_by_month": {"2025-11": {"neutral": 2, "recommend": 2}, "2025-12": {"neutral": 3, "recommend": 1}, "2026-01": {"neutral": 1, "warn": 3, "recommend": 1}, "2026-02": {"warn": 1, "neutral": 2}, "2026-03": {"warn": 2, "recommend": 1, "neutral": 1}, "2026-04": {"warn": 1}, "2026-05": {"neutral": 4, "recommend": 1, "warn": 1}, "2026-06": {"neutral": 4, "recommend": 10, "warn": 2, "compare": 1}, "2026-07": {"compare": 4, "neutral": 6, "recommend": 12, "warn": 2}, "2026-08": {"neutral": 5, "warn": 9, "recommend": 17, "compare": 2}, "2026-09": {"neutral": 12, "recommend": 10, "compare": 1, "warn": 6}, "2026-10": {"recommend": 1, "neutral": 6, "warn": 2}}, "quotes": [{"id": 804760433, "item_id": 50297527, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50297527", "by": "CougarCalc", "date": "2026-10-29", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I had Grok Bot make me a very basic version of Figma.", "excerpt": "I had Grok Bot make me a very basic version of Figma. Sketching a layout makes it much easier to ask for visual changes to websites and apps. It's one HTML file, free and MIT licensed, so try it out and fork it if you want to customize it. [layout-sketcher.vercel.app](https://layout-sketcher.vercel.app/) Source: [github.com/layout-sketcher](https://github.com/jojopdmf-a11y/layout-sketcher)", "context": "", "use_case": "generating a vibe-coded app", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: What's your favorite thing you vibe coded for your own personal use"}, {"id": 804174321, "item_id": 50260895, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50260895", "by": "brightball", "date": "2026-10-27", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I asked Grok Bot on another machine if it could get into that one over SSH", "excerpt": "A lot of things. The UX for non-code related activities is excellent. They've removed the friction from setting things up by giving each agent their own machine which can give you remote desktop. The process of creating and working with each agent is as simple as naming it and then explaining it's job. You can keep feeding them information, ask them to train themselves, etc. They can access anything you can, whether ", "context": "", "use_case": "agent bot", "switched_from": "", "story": "Anthropic S-1"}, {"id": 804023219, "item_id": 50251451, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50251451", "by": "boogiefromzk", "date": "2026-10-26", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I also made sure Opus controls Grok in Cursor", "excerpt": "Last months I was searching for a way to make smart AI model submit and verify the work to cheap model so that it will cost less, and after many try and failures I was able to get stable result where I use Fable and its limits spent slower than overall account limit because most context intensive work is done by Sonnet. At the same time the response quaility is still Fable. I also made sure Opus controls Grok in Curs", "context": "built an agentic delegation scheme", "use_case": "cheap delegated model", "switched_from": "", "story": "Cost-effective agentic delegation scheme for Claude Code, Cursor and Codex"}, {"id": 803666320, "item_id": 50229145, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50229145", "by": "saagarjha", "date": "2026-10-25", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I don't actually care that much for Grok the model because I think they are more or less homogenous", "excerpt": "I don't actually care that much for Grok the model because I think they are more or less homogenous with like, a small house spin on how \"smart\" they are and some other features like their behavior in a harness etc. Personally I have no problem believing that it might be good at doing what you ask directly instead of wandering or trying to be independent or whatever. I wouldn't call it out as paid marketing and I als", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "LLMs are making formal software verification feasible at a much larger scale"}, {"id": 803404144, "item_id": 50212759, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50212759", "by": "Breza", "date": "2026-10-23", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Grok is the most confident of any model I use. Unfortunately, it is also the most often incorrect.", "excerpt": "I've had a similar experience. Grok is the most confident of any model I use. Unfortunately, it is also the most often incorrect.", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Anthropic logged net loss of over $80B in first half of 2026"}, {"id": 802397024, "item_id": 50149814, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50149814", "by": "Tepix", "date": "2026-10-19", "stance": "warn", "quote": "AFAIK X published their algorithm which more or less just says: \"we use grok to decide which posts to show\".", "excerpt": "Here's just one example: https://www.itechguides.com/elon-says-hes-working-to-fix-grok-after-ai-disagrees-with-him-on-right-wing-violence/ AFAIK X published their algorithm which more or less just says: \"we use grok to decide which posts to show\".", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Neural networks are clean"}, {"id": 801194500, "item_id": 50074656, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50074656", "by": "eluusive", "date": "2026-10-13", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I have Pro max subs for Claude, Codex, Grok, and Google AI", "excerpt": "Just switched, and it seems to be much better. I'm hoping it stops lying. I have Pro max subs for Claude, Codex, Grok, and Google AI... I was forced into using Google by running out of credits elsewhere. I have found that Gemini often claims it did something, but didn't actually complete the task. I just had 3.8 Flash do a major refactor -- that never should have needed to be done in the first place -- and switched t", "context": "has Pro max subs for Claude, Codex, Grok, and Google AI", "use_case": "AI assistant", "switched_from": "", "story": "Gemini 4 Argon"}, {"id": 799473329, "item_id": 49967083, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49967083", "by": "daft_pink", "date": "2026-10-05", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "grok bot in the cloud on everything else", "excerpt": "I do feel since I use hermes on my work windows computer and grok bot in the cloud on everything else that computer use is so useful and important, but I'm also worried that Apple will not be a good choice for that.", "context": "", "use_case": "computer use agent", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple and a hacker's future"}, {"id": 798700448, "item_id": 49918778, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49918778", "by": "petesergeant", "date": "2026-10-01", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "$20 a month each for Grok and GLM have easily paid for themselves by finding bugs that my main work models didn\u2019t", "excerpt": "While that\u2019s true, I have found Gemini models to be exclusively good for data extraction, and absolutely terrible at everything else. I pay for lots of models because they\u2019re good at different things: $20 a month each for Grok and GLM have easily paid for themselves by finding bugs that my main work models didn\u2019t, but I\u2019m yet to have any Gemini model find a real bug, and Gemini\u2019s results for general work will sometim", "context": "pays for many models", "use_case": "finding bugs", "switched_from": "", "story": "Gemini 4 Argon (High): Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis"}, {"id": 798618305, "item_id": 49913644, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49913644", "by": "AlisaYoki", "date": "2026-09-30", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Grok bot has recently been released; it has its own limits and also helps save Cursor tokens", "excerpt": "I use Cursor, and in fact, their internal models are more than enough for me. Especially considering that Grok bot has recently been released; it has its own limits and also helps save Cursor tokens (by properly drafting technical specifications and making edits to tasks). I pay $60 per month for the subscription, sometimes $200 if there are a lot of technical tasks", "context": "", "use_case": "drafting specs and editing tasks", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: How are you getting inference for personal projects?"}, {"id": 797999234, "item_id": 49874952, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49874952", "by": "sitsitstay", "date": "2026-09-28", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "Grok whilst did solid work, struggled with cohesive architecture", "excerpt": "I've been tokenmaxxing across Claude (multiple subs, but I've now burned all of them - and also exhausted, for all of them, the discounted \"Buy Credits\" from 40% to 25% to 20%....). I used Astra, and it lasted less than hour before it was dead for a month - and Grok whilst did solid work, struggled with cohesive architecture. DeepSeek, well, I've got 400+ dollars left in credit I will donate to my enemies, to slow th", "context": "", "use_case": "coding", "switched_from": "", "story": "Open Annihilation \u2013 Spent the GDP of a Small Nation Remaking a Classic 90s Game"}, {"id": 797690594, "item_id": 49855662, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49855662", "by": "assimpleaspossi", "date": "2026-09-26", "stance": "warn", "quote": "The code they supplied to me has NEVER worked or was so convoluted that I threw it away and did it myself.", "excerpt": "I find it strange to see people writing articles like this as if everyone has used AI for decades. I've programmed for decades. I thought I retired three years ago but got an offer I couldn't refuse. Already there were little things I'd forgotten how to use. Over the past six months I tried using Claude, chatgpt, Grok and Gemini. At best I got reminders of how things worked. People online say they use them to write t", "context": "", "use_case": "coding help", "switched_from": "", "story": "One Month Without AI"}, {"id": 796929664, "item_id": 49808104, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49808104", "by": "hcurtiss", "date": "2026-09-22", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use the crap out of Grok in my daily life", "excerpt": "That's odd to me. I have SuperGrok with X Premium+. I use the crap out of Grok in my daily life, including to build a couple self-hosted apps as an amateur. I have a Grok bot monitor my email every 15 minutes and file things away for me. I have another bot that monitors for blood test results through Goodlabs. And I'm talking to it all the time on my 2 hour round-trip commute . . . and I never even get close to using", "context": "amateur building self-hosted apps, has SuperGrok with X Premium+", "use_case": "daily assistant and building apps", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok 4.7"}, {"id": 796884992, "item_id": 49805312, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49805312", "by": "MSKJ", "date": "2026-09-22", "stance": "warn", "quote": "I've found Grok in vehicle to have degraded.", "excerpt": "I've found Grok in vehicle to have degraded. When it first launched it worked ok. I used it for very basic things like asking for definitions or some additional context when listening to audiobooks on my commute. But after a while it wouldn't understand me properly, I'd have to kind of yell or try to change my pronunciation like an old school assistant which made the process very annoying. Anyone else have a similar ", "context": "", "use_case": "in-car voice assistant", "switched_from": "", "story": null}, {"id": 796751504, "item_id": 49796969, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49796969", "by": "t1E9mE7JTRjf", "date": "2026-09-22", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I used it a year or so ago when it came out and it seemed as gated as all the others.", "excerpt": "I would guess those working in AI see some possible ethical quandary but resigned themselves to an attitude of \"it's happening either way\". Although what csam and racism are we talking about? my observation on AI is they're all pretty cucked and boring to talk to. Or is the grok ai more liberal than others and unique? I used it a year or so ago when it came out and it seemed as gated as all the others.", "context": "", "use_case": "chatting", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok 4.7"}, {"id": 796744912, "item_id": 49796557, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49796557", "by": "artdigital", "date": "2026-09-22", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "It\u2019s the consumer app and model I like the most, but my sentiment has changed.", "excerpt": "At every Grok release I commented on here how much I love Grok. It\u2019s the consumer app and model I like the most, but my sentiment has changed. The usage limits on all the Grok subscriptions are now terrible, maybe because 4.6 and 4.7 (not in the app yet) eat more compote? I\u2019m not sure what happened My SuperGrok subscription previously easily lasted me through the week even with mild coding through Grok Build. Now whe", "context": "SuperGrok subscriber", "use_case": "Q&A and light coding", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok 4.7"}, {"id": 796707841, "item_id": 49794240, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49794240", "by": "the_sleaze_", "date": "2026-09-21", "stance": "warn", "quote": "4.6 was a slower less enjoyable version of that.", "excerpt": "I didn't find 4.6 any better than Composer 2.5 - which remains incredible and honestly nothing else compares for me. Make a galaxy model search the space, create a document, argue and defend decisions, then hand it to 2.5 to implement. 4.6 was a slower less enjoyable version of that. 4.7 is better at \"I want the button to cancel the jobs, dont make any mistakes\" but honestly that's not what I use it's class for.", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok 4.7"}, {"id": 796692928, "item_id": 49793308, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49793308", "by": "chronogram", "date": "2026-09-21", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I use it in the car to talk to because it's built-in, mostly for navigation via voice.", "excerpt": "I use it in the car to talk to because it's built-in, mostly for navigation via voice. It seems to be an old or quantised model, because it seems a few years old, and it has strict rate limits unlike Gemini, where it really just shuts off if you talk to it a few times in one day, but it's still fun to show passengers who are still new to LLMs.", "context": "", "use_case": "voice assistant in car", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok 4.7"}, {"id": 796654656, "item_id": 49790916, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49790916", "by": "eknkc", "date": "2026-09-21", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Recently added Grok and it has somehow bacome my second most used model.", "excerpt": "I am subscribed to ChatGPT, Claude, Kimi and GLM coding plans. 200$ one on GPT and the 20$ ish ones on all others. Recently added Grok and it has somehow bacome my second most used model. For daily one off questions I prefer it because it is fast enough and I like the way it responds. I also use it for basic research like \u201cfind me a battery drill for this and that\u201d. Kimi and GLM feel extremely coding oriented. I use ", "context": "subscribed to several AI coding plans", "use_case": "daily questions and basic research", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok 4.7"}, {"id": 796642720, "item_id": 49790170, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49790170", "by": "sejje", "date": "2026-09-21", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I find it to be a perfectly capable model for implementation", "excerpt": "If you haven't used it, how do you know if it's winning? I think it's winning on UI for normies (grok bot) and they made some claims about being pareto SOTA (lowest cost per task completed) a while back with 4.6. I find it to be a perfectly capable model for implementation (there are many in this class--deepseek flash, spark1.3, luna, etc). I find the usage to be very generous w/ supergrok. I find the model to be jus", "context": "has SuperGrok subscription", "use_case": "implementation coding", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok 4.7"}, {"id": 796630080, "item_id": 49789380, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49789380", "by": "artemonster", "date": "2026-09-21", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "grok does good research and produces less bullshit, especially when prompted to be critical of an idea", "excerpt": "I used openrouter to send same prompt to qwen, derpseek, gemini and grok and found that grok does good research and produces less bullshit, especially when prompted to be critical of an idea", "context": "", "use_case": "research", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok 4.7"}, {"id": 795843315, "item_id": 49740207, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49740207", "by": "fsniper", "date": "2026-09-17", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "They are great help and provide me invaluable advice.", "excerpt": "I have been using Gemini, Claude, ChatGPT, Grok (whatever is available) to create esp32 boards. As I am very new into this field, I mostly use them to query about schematics, ICs, routing, kicad, electronic foundations and so on. They are great help and provide me invaluable advice. However It's always better to validate one's result with others. I have many cases where they would provide me catastrophic advice and a", "context": "new to electronics", "use_case": "ESP32 board design help", "switched_from": "", "story": "This PCB is brought to you by Fable 5"}, {"id": 795807040, "item_id": 49737940, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49737940", "by": "raunaksingwi", "date": "2026-09-17", "stance": "warn", "quote": "But I am not liking them much. And they are extremely slow as well.", "excerpt": "I have been using Grok models lately, just because I am on the cursor subscription. I got the cursor subscription because I liked it's cloud coding environment better than the others. But I am not liking them much. And they are extremely slow as well.", "context": "", "use_case": "coding via Cursor", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: What default model do you use and why?"}, {"id": 795552323, "item_id": 49722020, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49722020", "by": "qingcharles", "date": "2026-09-16", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I use Claude, Codex, Grok and Muse for all the other projects", "excerpt": "I've used Antigravity as my main coding agent on one of my biggest projects for about a year. It's been great for me. (and I use Claude, Codex, Grok and Muse for all the other projects)", "context": "", "use_case": "other projects", "switched_from": "", "story": "Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking"}, {"id": 795063730, "item_id": 49691483, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49691483", "by": "chumzygood", "date": "2026-09-14", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "Four AI models (ChatGPT, Claude, Grok, Gemini) each write a trading rulebook", "excerpt": "I run a small experiment on this: 29 paper-trading accounts on real US stock prices, $100k each, since July 27. Four AI models (ChatGPT, Claude, Grok, Gemini) each write a trading rulebook and rewrite it every day from their own results. One account is a fixed rulebook that no AI ever touches, as a control. Result so far (paper, 34 trading days): the no-AI control is +13.0%, the S&P 500 is +3.4%, and 25 of the 28 AI ", "context": "", "use_case": "paper-trading experiment", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: What are you working on? (September 2026)"}, {"id": 794784403, "item_id": 49674025, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49674025", "by": "george_stephen", "date": "2026-09-12", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "Grok is keeping up and really good at explicit stuff", "excerpt": "I use all of em, ChatGPT 5.6luna ion web, for quick tasks(without signup), (ii personally feel ChatGPT isn't straightforward especially when quizing its opinion on a topic) , Gemini for academic work to encyclopedia and know-how discussions, recommending solutions to technical tasks by looking up web for me(it's my primary driver, but lags behind in coding abilities,its large context is a plus. I recently started ret", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: What default model do you use and why?"}, {"id": 794782804, "item_id": 49673925, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49673925", "by": "verisimilidude", "date": "2026-09-12", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I\u2019m increasingly turning to Grok here.", "excerpt": "It really depends. For high-level strategic conversations, I use Fable. For planning, I use Opus or Sol. Sol is generally preferred; it\u2019s faster, cheaper, and less verbose. But I still find Opus more capable on the most nuanced or complex tasks. For planned implementation, I use Sonnet. For one-shot unplanned implementation, I\u2019ll use whatever model seems best for the task. FWIW, I\u2019m increasingly turning to Grok here.", "context": "", "use_case": "one-shot implementation", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: What default model do you use and why?"}, {"id": 794779985, "item_id": 49673749, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49673749", "by": "Cakez0r", "date": "2026-09-12", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Grok is capable, but disappointing compared to Opus.", "excerpt": "I've been trying Grok 4.6 (High) alongside Claude Opus 5 (High). Grok is capable, but disappointing compared to Opus. My experience with Grok has also made me a little skeptical of benchmarks, because the two models benchmark similarly but it (subjectively) feels like there is quite a big capability gap between the two.", "context": "", "use_case": "coding", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: What default model do you use and why?"}, {"id": 794776998, "item_id": 49673562, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49673562", "by": "time0ut", "date": "2026-09-12", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "the latest Grok is actually a beast of a model, but expensive enough to not be a stand out.", "excerpt": "If I had to pick just one, these days it\u2019s Composer. It is just a cheap, fast, surgical workhorse. My workflow uses other models as well for various phases: Opus for planning, Sonnet for review, etc. I prefer Cursor at this point just because of Composer. Claude Code is passable but the lack of a good, fast, cheap workhorse sucks. Sonnet and Haiku aren\u2019t it. I also do like Codex and Sol, Terra, and Luna. They are dec", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: What default model do you use and why?"}, {"id": 794610736, "item_id": 49663171, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49663171", "by": "kolinko", "date": "2026-09-11", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Esp if that other model is as unhinged as Grok.", "excerpt": "What harness? And why not just Fable+Opus? Personally I use only one family for code editing, other families for code navigation. Models tend to reason about the code using their own intuition and putting other families onto the same codebases may end up with them getting confused. Esp if that other model is as unhinged as Grok. Also, harness matters a ton. Use a wrong harness with a good model and you\u2019ll get terribl", "context": "", "use_case": "code navigation", "switched_from": "", "story": "Measuring the sloppiness of code"}, {"id": 794073408, "item_id": 49629588, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49629588", "by": "hbn", "date": "2026-09-09", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Grok is my go-to LLM for research not because I care for Elon Musk but because it's really good.", "excerpt": "Grok is my go-to LLM for research not because I care for Elon Musk but because it's really good. I'm not even sure if I'm paying for it? I have an X Premium account but I don't know if that's giving me more Grok usage or what. Either way, its research mode is very good and frequently pulls off tasks the competitors struggle with in my experience.", "context": "", "use_case": "research", "switched_from": "", "story": "Muse \u2013 Meta\u2019s personal AI agent"}, {"id": 793504819, "item_id": 49594051, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49594051", "by": "chriscjcj", "date": "2026-09-07", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "It was 100% vibe-coded using Claude and some Grok", "excerpt": "I've been building a new MAME front end for MacOS, and it's at the point where I would be grateful if some folks besides me would be willing to try it. I built this for myself after years of using qmc2. (Much respect to Ren\u00e9 Reucher who I understand passed away in the spring of 2023. R.I.P. (1) ) There's a lot I like about qmc2 but also a lot that I find frustrating. I set out to solve those pain points as well as bu", "context": "", "use_case": "vibe-coding the app", "switched_from": "", "story": "Show HN: DJCJ Arcade \u2013 MAME front end for MacOS"}, {"id": 793371793, "item_id": 49585737, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49585737", "by": "pshirshov", "date": "2026-09-06", "stance": "compare", "quote": "Grok is worse, Claude is also worse.", "excerpt": "Well, I've tried many strategies. 1:1 expansion, when I explain what needs to be said and model rewrites it into 1-2 sentences is mostly undetectable. Starting from 1:5 expansion ratio people detect models reliably. It is important to note that I use Sol 5.6 xhigh. Grok is worse, Claude is also worse. Grok tends to make stupid mistakes even though the prose is properly shaped. Claude has big issues with keeping voice", "context": "", "use_case": "generating prose", "switched_from": "", "story": "The revolt of the reader"}, {"id": 792895008, "item_id": 49555938, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49555938", "by": "krisroadruck", "date": "2026-09-03", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I think the one that surprises me the most often is probably grok, but I wouldn't want grok to be my daily driver.", "excerpt": "I frequently find blind spots / edges where one model notices something non-trivial none of the others did. I think the one that surprises me the most often is probably grok, but I wouldn't want grok to be my daily driver. I feel I get benefits but I could also see the argument that it's just a complex token burning furnace lol.", "context": "", "use_case": "second-opinion model for review", "switched_from": "", "story": "Claude Fable 5.1 and Claude Mythos 5.1"}, {"id": 792831984, "item_id": 49551999, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49551999", "by": "bluecalm", "date": "2026-09-03", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "It's my favorite chat box for general use.", "excerpt": "It's my favorite chat box for general use. I used to cross post my questions to Opus/Fable and GPT Sol via Open Router but these days I just use Grok. I prefer its style, it's very good at searching and referencing sources. Doesn't make you feel like a genius (Gemini) but also isn't condescending (like Claude).", "context": "", "use_case": "general chat and search", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok outage"}, {"id": 792831360, "item_id": 49551960, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49551960", "by": "darkwi11ow", "date": "2026-09-03", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "recent versions are good for writing specs, code review, etc.", "excerpt": "I use it in Cursor, recent versions are good for writing specs, code review, etc. Not good for UI design and broad research, though. Btw it does not have outage in Cursor now, it seems the infra path is different for XAI Grok and Cursor Grok.", "context": "", "use_case": "specs and code review", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok outage"}, {"id": 792829888, "item_id": 49551868, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49551868", "by": "sergiotapia", "date": "2026-09-03", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I like grok 4.6 more than any anthropic or claude model.", "excerpt": "I like grok 4.6 more than any anthropic or claude model. I use it in cursor for work, and grok cli for normal os operations/installations/troubleshooting. I also use grok on my phone for normal questions in the supermarket etc.", "context": "", "use_case": "work coding and everyday questions", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok outage"}, {"id": 792261840, "item_id": 49516365, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49516365", "by": "hydropax", "date": "2026-09-01", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "With grok bot, I've just been giving it a time to stop working; otherwise, it's likely to burn through my entire week's usage in an afternoon.", "excerpt": "With grok bot, I've just been giving it a time to stop working; otherwise, it's likely to burn through my entire week's usage in an afternoon. If I want to run multiple sessions in parallel in claude code and codex, I use multiple worktrees, and I select tasks for each tree that are unlikely to have merge conflicts.", "context": "", "use_case": "AI coding agent", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: What are your biggest problems and fixes with multisession engineering?"}, {"id": 791913571, "item_id": 49494598, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49494598", "by": "thefourthchime", "date": "2026-08-30", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "auto picks between Opus 5, GPT 5.6, Grok 4.6, and Composer 2.5", "excerpt": "It's a little confusing because Grok and Cursor kinda live in different worlds. Grok has SuperGrok and SuperGrok Heavy ($300 a month!) The best bet is Cursor Ultra ($200), which is the equivalent a month plan that you get from OpenAI and Anthropic. I get a LOT more capacity out of it because I almost always use the \"Auto\" mode, which auto picks between Opus 5, GPT 5.6, Grok 4.6, and Composer 2.5. I like Auto mode so ", "context": "", "use_case": "coding via Cursor Auto", "switched_from": "", "story": "Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX"}, {"id": 791844705, "item_id": 49490294, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49490294", "by": "zxspectrum1982", "date": "2026-08-29", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I'm now using Grok 4.6 most of the time.", "excerpt": "I use Cursor at work and love it. It's a great IDE, the best IMHO. But it becomes really expensive. Since the introduction of the Cursor Token Rate, my company tells us to use Claude and Codex directly with Anthropic (or Vertex AI) and OpenAI, respectively. https://cursor.com/docs/models-and-pricing#cursor-token-rate I'm now using Grok 4.6 most of the time. Sonnet some times. But that's it. Cursor-native models 99% o", "context": "", "use_case": "coding", "switched_from": "", "story": "Our decision on Cursor following its acquisition by SpaceX"}, {"id": 791638321, "item_id": 49477395, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49477395", "by": "walrus01", "date": "2026-08-28", "stance": "warn", "quote": "grok uploads your entire code base", "excerpt": "This is why I run opencode and similar things in a dedicated KVM virtual machine that lives on a system under my desk that doesn't have access to my user account data, documents folder, photos/video, ~/.ssh/, other API keys, ~/.anything-else/, you name it. I think it's absolutely wild that there are people out there running cutting-edge LLMs and agent harnesses and tools on the same hardware and same user/disk/sessio", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "AI Agent Has Root"}, {"id": 789365953, "item_id": 49335372, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49335372", "by": "dllu", "date": "2026-08-17", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Grok and Gemini both failed in a similar way.", "excerpt": "No pre-prompting, although I can't be sure it didn't use memories. \"No tools\" should theoretically have prevented it from looking up memories. FWIW, Grok and Gemini both failed in a similar way. With Python, it was able to successfully solve it in 9 minutes: https://chatgpt.com/s/t_6a8350ecddfc81919328caf68de74861 The real pain point is that at work, I use Codex and I'm currently working on a project that involves de", "context": "", "use_case": "vision puzzle", "switched_from": "", "story": "GPT 5.6 Sol is the best \"vision\" model OpenAI ever released"}, {"id": 788836272, "item_id": 49302267, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49302267", "by": "melodyogonna", "date": "2026-08-14", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I've now switched to Grok 4.6, I was previously using Opus 4.8 but Grok is good enough now, and way cheaper", "excerpt": "Grok has started competing with frontier models on coding thanks to Cursor's data, with SpaceX's massive compute they can undercut competition on price, which makes the offering real appealing. I've now switched to Grok 4.6, I was previously using Opus 4.8 but Grok is good enough now, and way cheaper which is the important part.", "context": "", "use_case": "coding", "switched_from": "Opus 4.8", "story": "Cursor Is Joining SpaceX"}, {"id": 788467072, "item_id": 49279192, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49279192", "by": "sedivy94", "date": "2026-08-12", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Grok is indeed fact/truth oriented, direct, and less personable (which I vastly prefer).", "excerpt": "I\u2019m not doing any coding with AI, so I\u2019m the odd one out. Mostly use it for research: information retrieval and grokking technical concepts for exam prep. Does that fall within \u201cknowledge work\u201d? Anywho - I switched to Opus last week and felt torn. It\u2019s displayed somewhat higher competency in some responses, and the artifacts (diagrams) are splendid, but I despise its writing style. Grok is indeed fact/truth oriented,", "context": "Uses AI for research, not coding", "use_case": "research and exam prep", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok 4.6"}, {"id": 788411057, "item_id": 49275691, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49275691", "by": "visopsys", "date": "2026-08-12", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Grok is 3x+ faster than Claude and I can't tell the diff in engineering work quality.", "excerpt": "I use. I used to be a Claude user. Since trying Grok 4.5 and especially Grok 4.6, I don't want to go back to Claude any more (I have early access to 4.6). Grok is 3x+ faster than Claude and I can't tell the diff in engineering work quality. As an engineer, speed is important to me.", "context": "engineer", "use_case": "engineering work", "switched_from": "Claude", "story": "SpaceXAI's Grok 4.6 Scores 61 on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index"}, {"id": 788399394, "item_id": 49274962, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49274962", "by": "calldacopsidgaf", "date": "2026-08-12", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Literal trash for nazis.", "excerpt": "Literal trash for nazis. By the way if you're looking to get off of Cursor since X.ai bought them, I switched to Zed a few weeks ago and out-of-the-box it does everything Cursor can without charging you their dumbass premium. The transition is pretty much seamless", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok 4.6"}, {"id": 788396144, "item_id": 49274759, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49274759", "by": "Someone1234", "date": "2026-08-12", "stance": "warn", "quote": "My organization has outright banned Grok, because we don't trust SpaceX to hold up to contractual agreements vis-a-vis data-privacy/training.", "excerpt": "I'd start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok_(chatbot)#Controversies_and_criticisms And here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok_sexual_deepfake_scandal I think polarizing is a generous way of describing the problems. My organization has outright banned Grok, because we don't trust SpaceX to hold up to contractual agreements vis-a-vis data-privacy/training. That's the level of reputational damage we're talking ", "context": "works at an organization that banned Grok", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok 4.6"}, {"id": 787103088, "item_id": 49193943, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49193943", "by": "archievillain", "date": "2026-08-06", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Grok is subject to hallucinations has been caught making up posts wholesale.", "excerpt": "The translation feature was always there, they just made it so you don't have to press a button to translate a post. Which I guess is nice, but it's like a minor client-side setting. On the other hand, they switched from Google Translate to Grok, which means that now you can't even really trust the translation because, even ignoring the inherent imprecision of an automatic translation tool, Grok is subject to halluci", "context": "", "use_case": "translation on X", "switched_from": "", "story": "Nikita Bier Steps Down as Head of Product at X"}, {"id": 787027968, "item_id": 49189248, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49189248", "by": "ratelimitsteve", "date": "2026-08-05", "stance": "warn", "quote": "When people started using Grok to make CSAM the platform's response was to paywall image generation.", "excerpt": "We used to say computers can't make decisions because they can't meaningfully be held responsible for those decisions. Now the vibe seems to be that computers should make decisions because instead of anyone being held responsible we can just say \"the computer made a mistake and it is very sorry\" and effectively shield anyone from being responsible. But the thing is, machines don't do stuff. Not from a responsibility ", "context": "", "use_case": "image generation", "switched_from": "", "story": "Meta Ran Ads That Contained AI-Generated Child Sexual Abuse Imagery"}, {"id": 785501008, "item_id": 49093813, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49093813", "by": "Culonavirus", "date": "2026-07-28", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Or try Grok, 4.5 seems pretty capable, should be close to K3 in many coding tasks.", "excerpt": "Or try Grok, 4.5 seems pretty capable, should be close to K3 in many coding tasks. I use it for code review of what other \"stronger\" models shit out (like Sol) and it constantly finds even pretty big bugs or just not robust enough solutions (Sol tends to overengineer, yes, but I'm not so sure it overengineers the right parts, so far my experience woth it has been mid. Except it understanding my drawings and collages ", "context": "", "use_case": "code review", "switched_from": "", "story": null}, {"id": 782837281, "item_id": 48927330, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48927330", "by": "ahmadyan", "date": "2026-07-15", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "if you like grok-4.5 model (it is a good model)", "excerpt": "i think xai is now in pure damage control mode, after they caught exfiltrating data from users. - There is a huge difference between logging user queries (which would include only the portion the model is reading) and exfiltrating user data (including env files, entire source code etc) which is what grok-build did here (https://github.com/xai-org/grok-build/blob/main/crates/codegen/xai-grok-shell/src/upload/trace.rs)", "context": "", "use_case": "coding model via API", "switched_from": "", "story": "Grok Build Is OSS"}, {"id": 781646304, "item_id": 48852894, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48852894", "by": "small_model", "date": "2026-07-09", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "So I use Grok Build with 4.5 as its VERY fast and cheap", "excerpt": "Now we have various Opus+ level models (Opus/Fable, Grok 4.5, GPT 5.6) I prefer to focus on price/speed and harness as models are all generally good enough for coding. (Fable is overkill for 90% of work but is still level above). So I use Grok Build with 4.5 as its VERY fast and cheap, Codex is next best for me with sol/lunar 5.6. and Claude Code Fable for the 10% of tasks that need that level of reasoning. However I", "context": "", "use_case": "daily coding", "switched_from": "", "story": "GPT-5.6"}]}