{"slug": "grapheneos", "name": "GrapheneOS", "category": "os", "category_name": "Operating systems and desktop", "description": "Privacy- and security-hardened Android-based mobile operating system, primarily for Google Pixel phones.", "recommenders": 103, "commenters": 153, "warners": 6, "score": 98.267, "rising": 11.11, "first": "2025-11-18", "latest": "2026-10-26", "why": "Liked for privacy, security and user control, with banking apps often working and an easy web installer.", "why_is_quote": false, "has_verdict": true, "sentiment": {"recommend": 120, "neutral": 55, "compare": 1, "warn": 6}, "spark": [3, 4, 2, 10, 19, 6, 2, 15, 21, 14, 17, 7], "listed": true, "loved": ["Privacy and security", "App compatibility"], "caveat": "No tap-to-pay", "short_quote": "I love GrapheneOS and see it as a cornerstone of digital privacy software. I have supported the project financially for years.", "icon": true, "domain": "grapheneos.org", "github_repo": null, "official_url": "https://grapheneos.org", "pricing": "open source", "aliases": ["GrapheneOS"], "verdict": [{"text": "Liked for privacy, security and user control,", "cites": [{"id": 792430176, "item_id": 49526886, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49526886", "by": "ravenstine", "date": "2026-09-01", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use GrapheneOS because it provides better security and privacy out of the box than LineageOS", "excerpt": "GrapheneOS (the project) might recommend for or against certain things in relation to their specific objectives, but that doesn't mean all GrapheneOS users have the same objectives or need to comply with the opinions of GrapheneOS. For instance, I use GrapheneOS because it provides better security and privacy out of the box than LineageOS, but I'm also not so paranoid that I'm going to just blindly listen to advice a", "context": "GrapheneOS user", "use_case": "mobile OS", "switched_from": "LineageOS", "story": "Play Store blocks AuroraStore, hurting GrapheneOS users"}, {"id": 790045344, "item_id": 49377834, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49377834", "by": "tentacleuno", "date": "2026-08-20", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "If it wasn't for GrapheneOS and the desire for a private and secure OS", "excerpt": "The Pixel 5 was an absolutely brilliant phone; everything about it was right: the texture, the size, and the battery was great too. It was the best phone I've ever had. It's a blueprint for creating a great phone, IMO. I've since moved onto a Pixel 9a and it just isn't as good, IMO. The screen seems so much... weaker? I used to drop the 5 quite a bit onto hard concrete floors, and it never sustained the damage that t", "context": "Pixel user", "use_case": "private, secure phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Pixel 11 Pro Fold feels like the end of an era"}, {"id": 796170112, "item_id": 49760632, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49760632", "by": "drnick1", "date": "2026-09-18", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use Graphene for the sake of user control.", "excerpt": "Same thing here, I use Graphene for the sake of user control. All the security features and hardening of the Pixel phones and of the OS are good to have, but they not the main reason.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Android 17 is the first since 3.x to add new APIs without releasing to the AOSP"}]}, {"text": " with banking apps often working and an easy web installer.", "cites": [{"id": 796895792, "item_id": 49805987, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49805987", "by": "estebank", "date": "2026-09-22", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "my banking apps have worked with no issues and have worked continuously since I migrated to GrapheneOS", "excerpt": "It is likely a crapshoot, and while that list is informative it is necessarily a snapshot in time. FWIW, my banking apps have worked with no issues and have worked continuously since I migrated to GrapheneOS. I do have Play Services installed to be able to use Android Auto, and that required some fiddling with permissions before it started working, so your mileage may vary. By far the biggest annoyance for me is grou", "context": "", "use_case": "mobile OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "There's a high chance of devices being sold with GrapheneOS preinstalled in 2027"}, {"id": 796379536, "item_id": 49773721, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49773721", "by": "tEem21", "date": "2026-09-20", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I have not had any issues using banking apps on Graphene without Play Services.", "excerpt": "This is something that gets mentioned a lot, especially from people who don't use Graphene or other custom ROMs themselves. Personally, I have not had any issues using banking apps on Graphene without Play Services. While this is just anecdotal, even if apps required them, I use a separate \"secure profile\" where I dump all the fishy, but necessary apps that require Google. I used to run a separate Lineage phone with ", "context": "uses a separate secure profile for apps requiring Google", "use_case": "phone OS with banking apps", "switched_from": "LineageOS", "story": "Android 17 is the first since 3.x to add new APIs without releasing to the AOSP"}, {"id": 791941888, "item_id": 49496368, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49496368", "by": "harvey9", "date": "2026-08-30", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I used the web based installer and it was so easy", "excerpt": "I used the web based installer and it was so easy that we would be complaining the kids are not really learning anything by doing it!", "context": "", "use_case": "installing on a phone", "switched_from": "", "story": "California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law"}, {"id": 785430048, "item_id": 49089378, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49089378", "by": "gertop", "date": "2026-07-28", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "All you need to install graphene is a web browser and USB cable.", "excerpt": "> An alternative to the Android-iOS duopoly that involves futzing with cables and command lines is never going to go mainstream All you need to install graphene is a web browser and USB cable. > By contrast, a vertically integrated FOSS(ish) hardware-software stack might eventually get to 5% market share, like desktop Linux Those exists. They've never gained traction. If you think graphene is too much tinkering, you'", "context": "", "use_case": "mobile OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Donate to GrapheneOS"}]}, {"text": " The most common complaint is missing contactless payments", "cites": [{"id": 796153440, "item_id": 49759590, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49759590", "by": "aftbit", "date": "2026-09-18", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Graphene has been my daily driver for the past year or so.", "excerpt": "Graphene has been my daily driver for the past year or so. The only thing I miss is the ability to do contactless payments. Otherwise, it's been awesome. I don't run any games nor do I care about any of the AI features. YMMV.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Android 17 is the first since 3.x to add new APIs without releasing to the AOSP"}, {"id": 786318849, "item_id": 49144928, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49144928", "by": "unknown_user_84", "date": "2026-08-02", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I can keep extremely tight control on the NFC stack by toggling NFC with a quick access icon.", "excerpt": "That is essentially it as far as my understanding goes. Google Wallet currently will not run on a fully updated grapheneOS. Specifically it complains: \"Your device doesn't meet tap to pay security standards. It may be rooted or running uncertified software.\" Which is fair. But something that actually works would be nice. I can keep extremely tight control on the NFC stack by toggling NFC with a quick access icon. Not", "context": "GrapheneOS user", "use_case": "secure phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "A big win for Android interoperability"}, {"id": 783105232, "item_id": 48944077, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48944077", "by": "aucisson_masque", "date": "2026-07-16", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Even on grapheneos you got to install the play store and play services to get most app to work", "excerpt": "Even on grapheneos you got to install the play store and play services to get most app to work, which mean connecting to a Google account. Technically you can use fdroid, Aurora store, or only use stock applications but if we are serious, not all domestic abuse victims are also geeks that know how to do all these things. They will need their apps, for instance for social security. Also, many people use their phone to", "context": "", "use_case": "phone for domestic abuse victims", "switched_from": "", "story": "GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims"}]}, {"text": " and some banking apps not fully trusting it.", "cites": [{"id": 803494048, "item_id": 50218378, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50218378", "by": "Aozora7", "date": "2026-10-24", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I switched to GrapheneOS this week, and it looks like I lucked out with my country in that regard.", "excerpt": "I switched to GrapheneOS this week, and it looks like I lucked out with my country in that regard. Government digital signature app fully trusts GrapheneOS since it uses hardware attestation rather than Play Integrity, so I have access to all government services. My bank's app runs on GrapheneOS but doesn't fully trust it. Device is labeled as insecure, biometric login is disabled, and transaction limits are signific", "context": "Recently switched; uses government and bank apps", "use_case": "daily phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Your Phone Is About to Stop Being Yours: 70 Days Until Lockdown"}, {"id": 784138720, "item_id": 49008670, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49008670", "by": "_blk", "date": "2026-07-22", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I'll never go back to stock or worse than stock (Samsung) as long as GrapheneOS is around", "excerpt": "Been using GrapheneOS as daily driver for 4 years on three pixels. Problems only start when banking apps start actively sabotaging it by pretending the phone is rooted etc. Normal apps work normally and you get way more control over them. I'll never go back to stock or worse than stock (Samsung) as long as GrapheneOS is around even if they get rid of all security aspects (which of course they won't, I'm just saying s", "context": "Daily driver for 4 years on three Pixels", "use_case": "daily driver phone OS", "switched_from": "Android", "story": "Roblox Officially Supports GrapheneOS"}, {"id": 783917056, "item_id": 48994816, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48994816", "by": "Pfhortune", "date": "2026-07-21", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I've been using GrapheneOS for years and that hasn't been my experience. There are two financial apps that don't work for me, and that's it.", "excerpt": "> hanks to Google efforts switching to GrapheneOS mean tons of apps either not working or break every few months. I've been using GrapheneOS for years and that hasn't been my experience. There are two financial apps that don't work for me, and that's it. Pretty much everything else I use is fine. But, to be fair, I'm very scrupulous about my apps and tend to avoid installing an app for every little thing that wants m", "context": "long-term GrapheneOS user, careful about installed apps", "use_case": "daily phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple Defeats Liability for Not Scanning iCloud for CSAM"}]}], "praise": [{"label": "Privacy and security", "summary": "Commenters pick it for better security and privacy defaults than stock Android or LineageOS.", "quotes": [{"id": 792430176, "item_id": 49526886, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49526886", "by": "ravenstine", "date": "2026-09-01", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use GrapheneOS because it provides better security and privacy out of the box than LineageOS", "excerpt": "GrapheneOS (the project) might recommend for or against certain things in relation to their specific objectives, but that doesn't mean all GrapheneOS users have the same objectives or need to comply with the opinions of GrapheneOS. For instance, I use GrapheneOS because it provides better security and privacy out of the box than LineageOS, but I'm also not so paranoid that I'm going to just blindly listen to advice a", "context": "GrapheneOS user", "use_case": "mobile OS", "switched_from": "LineageOS", "story": "Play Store blocks AuroraStore, hurting GrapheneOS users"}, {"id": 789517152, "item_id": 49344822, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49344822", "by": "palata", "date": "2026-08-18", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I moved to GrapheneOS after that, because I get the security and updates I want.", "excerpt": "I guess it may be different now, but I was pretty disappointed with the Fairphone 3+. Maybe I was naive, but from the marketing I thought that they wouldn't make a Fairphone 4 before years, and actually they released it 6 months later. So I just ended up with a 2.5 years-old phone, knowing that the Fairphone 3 was already pretty slow when it was released years before. I didn't have to change it because the hardware d", "context": "", "use_case": "phone OS", "switched_from": "/e/OS", "story": "The Fairphone (Gen. 6)"}, {"id": 785376208, "item_id": 49086013, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49086013", "by": "illithid0", "date": "2026-07-28", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I love GrapheneOS and see it as a cornerstone of digital privacy software. I have supported the project financially for years.", "excerpt": "On one hand, I love GrapheneOS and see it as a cornerstone of digital privacy software. I have supported the project financially for years. On the other hand, I'm worried that the publicity will only make explicit targets out of GrapheneOS users, and that you would only be using it \"if you have something to hide\".", "context": "", "use_case": "private mobile OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "GrapheneOS Defends Data-Wiping Function That Blocked US Border Search"}]}, {"label": "App compatibility", "summary": "Several long-term users report their banking and other apps work, some without Play Services.", "quotes": [{"id": 796895792, "item_id": 49805987, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49805987", "by": "estebank", "date": "2026-09-22", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "my banking apps have worked with no issues and have worked continuously since I migrated to GrapheneOS", "excerpt": "It is likely a crapshoot, and while that list is informative it is necessarily a snapshot in time. FWIW, my banking apps have worked with no issues and have worked continuously since I migrated to GrapheneOS. I do have Play Services installed to be able to use Android Auto, and that required some fiddling with permissions before it started working, so your mileage may vary. By far the biggest annoyance for me is grou", "context": "", "use_case": "mobile OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "There's a high chance of devices being sold with GrapheneOS preinstalled in 2027"}, {"id": 796379536, "item_id": 49773721, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49773721", "by": "tEem21", "date": "2026-09-20", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I have not had any issues using banking apps on Graphene without Play Services.", "excerpt": "This is something that gets mentioned a lot, especially from people who don't use Graphene or other custom ROMs themselves. Personally, I have not had any issues using banking apps on Graphene without Play Services. While this is just anecdotal, even if apps required them, I use a separate \"secure profile\" where I dump all the fishy, but necessary apps that require Google. I used to run a separate Lineage phone with ", "context": "uses a separate secure profile for apps requiring Google", "use_case": "phone OS with banking apps", "switched_from": "LineageOS", "story": "Android 17 is the first since 3.x to add new APIs without releasing to the AOSP"}, {"id": 783917056, "item_id": 48994816, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48994816", "by": "Pfhortune", "date": "2026-07-21", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I've been using GrapheneOS for years and that hasn't been my experience. There are two financial apps that don't work for me, and that's it.", "excerpt": "> hanks to Google efforts switching to GrapheneOS mean tons of apps either not working or break every few months. I've been using GrapheneOS for years and that hasn't been my experience. There are two financial apps that don't work for me, and that's it. Pretty much everything else I use is fine. But, to be fair, I'm very scrupulous about my apps and tend to avoid installing an app for every little thing that wants m", "context": "long-term GrapheneOS user, careful about installed apps", "use_case": "daily phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple Defeats Liability for Not Scanning iCloud for CSAM"}]}, {"label": "Daily driver", "summary": "Users report running it as their only phone OS for years.", "quotes": [{"id": 784192336, "item_id": 49012021, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49012021", "by": "ThePowerOfFuet", "date": "2026-07-22", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "As someone who has used it exclusively as their mobile OS for three years, it is absolutely ready.", "excerpt": "> GrapheneOS really doesn't seem ready to be a daily driver. As someone who has used it exclusively as their mobile OS for three years, it is absolutely ready. Does that mean it's perfect or bug-free? No, but nothing is.", "context": "uses it exclusively as mobile OS for three years", "use_case": "daily mobile OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Roblox Officially Supports GrapheneOS"}, {"id": 784138720, "item_id": 49008670, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49008670", "by": "_blk", "date": "2026-07-22", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I'll never go back to stock or worse than stock (Samsung) as long as GrapheneOS is around", "excerpt": "Been using GrapheneOS as daily driver for 4 years on three pixels. Problems only start when banking apps start actively sabotaging it by pretending the phone is rooted etc. Normal apps work normally and you get way more control over them. I'll never go back to stock or worse than stock (Samsung) as long as GrapheneOS is around even if they get rid of all security aspects (which of course they won't, I'm just saying s", "context": "Daily driver for 4 years on three Pixels", "use_case": "daily driver phone OS", "switched_from": "Android", "story": "Roblox Officially Supports GrapheneOS"}, {"id": 796153440, "item_id": 49759590, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49759590", "by": "aftbit", "date": "2026-09-18", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Graphene has been my daily driver for the past year or so.", "excerpt": "Graphene has been my daily driver for the past year or so. The only thing I miss is the ability to do contactless payments. Otherwise, it's been awesome. I don't run any games nor do I care about any of the AI features. YMMV.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Android 17 is the first since 3.x to add new APIs without releasing to the AOSP"}]}, {"label": "Easy install", "summary": "The web installer needs only a browser and a USB cable.", "quotes": [{"id": 791941888, "item_id": 49496368, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49496368", "by": "harvey9", "date": "2026-08-30", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I used the web based installer and it was so easy", "excerpt": "I used the web based installer and it was so easy that we would be complaining the kids are not really learning anything by doing it!", "context": "", "use_case": "installing on a phone", "switched_from": "", "story": "California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law"}, {"id": 785430048, "item_id": 49089378, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49089378", "by": "gertop", "date": "2026-07-28", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "All you need to install graphene is a web browser and USB cable.", "excerpt": "> An alternative to the Android-iOS duopoly that involves futzing with cables and command lines is never going to go mainstream All you need to install graphene is a web browser and USB cable. > By contrast, a vertically integrated FOSS(ish) hardware-software stack might eventually get to 5% market share, like desktop Linux Those exists. They've never gained traction. If you think graphene is too much tinkering, you'", "context": "", "use_case": "mobile OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Donate to GrapheneOS"}, {"id": 783165312, "item_id": 48947832, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48947832", "by": "hellojesus", "date": "2026-07-17", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I love it. I can confidently go through customs knowing", "excerpt": "It took me about an hour. I sat down, read the docs, installed it via the web installer, then spent the next 45 min deciding how I wanted to segment separate profiles for play services. Nowadays it seems a lot easier because there seems to be a separate profile isolater you can run in the main profile, which I would choose if I was installing today. The only hiccup I've had is that sometimes group messages don't send", "context": "", "use_case": "secure daily phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims"}]}, {"label": "User control", "summary": "Users value control over apps and the option to de-Google.", "quotes": [{"id": 796170112, "item_id": 49760632, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49760632", "by": "drnick1", "date": "2026-09-18", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use Graphene for the sake of user control.", "excerpt": "Same thing here, I use Graphene for the sake of user control. All the security features and hardening of the Pixel phones and of the OS are good to have, but they not the main reason.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Android 17 is the first since 3.x to add new APIs without releasing to the AOSP"}, {"id": 784138720, "item_id": 49008670, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49008670", "by": "_blk", "date": "2026-07-22", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I'll never go back to stock or worse than stock (Samsung) as long as GrapheneOS is around", "excerpt": "Been using GrapheneOS as daily driver for 4 years on three pixels. Problems only start when banking apps start actively sabotaging it by pretending the phone is rooted etc. Normal apps work normally and you get way more control over them. I'll never go back to stock or worse than stock (Samsung) as long as GrapheneOS is around even if they get rid of all security aspects (which of course they won't, I'm just saying s", "context": "Daily driver for 4 years on three Pixels", "use_case": "daily driver phone OS", "switched_from": "Android", "story": "Roblox Officially Supports GrapheneOS"}, {"id": 792389665, "item_id": 49524354, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49524354", "by": "troyvit", "date": "2026-09-01", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use Aurora on GOS.", "excerpt": "I use Aurora on GOS. I get that they say sandboxed Play is more secure than Aurora, but I prefer it for its lack of toxicity and absence of shitty dark patterns. I think the increased popularity of GOS is going to draw in more users like me who picked it for reasons adjacent to Graphene's original purpose, and I hope it's not too annoying for their community.", "context": "", "use_case": "phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Play Store blocks AuroraStore, hurting GrapheneOS users"}]}, {"label": "Smooth experience", "summary": "Described as tidier, less distracting and more responsive than other Android setups.", "quotes": [{"id": 785093280, "item_id": 49068330, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49068330", "by": "daneel_w", "date": "2026-07-27", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "a much tidier, less distracting, smoother and more responsive experience than any other Android setup I've used before.", "excerpt": "I personally run iOS but have given GrapheneOS an extended run on a development phone I use for work, and I have to say it really is a much tidier, less distracting, smoother and more responsive experience than any other Android setup I've used before.", "context": "iOS user who runs GrapheneOS on a work development phone", "use_case": "work development phone", "switched_from": "", "story": "GrapheneOS protections against data extraction from locked devices"}, {"id": 803885440, "item_id": 50242840, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50242840", "by": "DaSHacka", "date": "2026-10-26", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use the project, I think it's excellent usability-wise and I appreciate the technical work you have done.", "excerpt": "I fail to see how my being in the Graphene discord discredits anything I've said. I use the project, so I remain in the Discord to keep up with updates. You'll notice that I always say I use the project, I think it's excellent usability-wise and I appreciate the technical work you have done. And that, in spite of that, while you are not my \"sworn enemy\" I still find your behavior pathetic and off-putting. I'm all but", "context": "member of the GrapheneOS Discord", "use_case": "mobile OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Around a dozen banking apps began specifically permitting GrapheneOS"}]}], "caveats": [{"label": "No tap-to-pay", "summary": "Google Wallet contactless payments do not work.", "quotes": [{"id": 796153440, "item_id": 49759590, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49759590", "by": "aftbit", "date": "2026-09-18", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Graphene has been my daily driver for the past year or so.", "excerpt": "Graphene has been my daily driver for the past year or so. The only thing I miss is the ability to do contactless payments. Otherwise, it's been awesome. I don't run any games nor do I care about any of the AI features. YMMV.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Android 17 is the first since 3.x to add new APIs without releasing to the AOSP"}, {"id": 786318849, "item_id": 49144928, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49144928", "by": "unknown_user_84", "date": "2026-08-02", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I can keep extremely tight control on the NFC stack by toggling NFC with a quick access icon.", "excerpt": "That is essentially it as far as my understanding goes. Google Wallet currently will not run on a fully updated grapheneOS. Specifically it complains: \"Your device doesn't meet tap to pay security standards. It may be rooted or running uncertified software.\" Which is fair. But something that actually works would be nice. I can keep extremely tight control on the NFC stack by toggling NFC with a quick access icon. Not", "context": "GrapheneOS user", "use_case": "secure phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "A big win for Android interoperability"}, {"id": 783105232, "item_id": 48944077, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48944077", "by": "aucisson_masque", "date": "2026-07-16", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Even on grapheneos you got to install the play store and play services to get most app to work", "excerpt": "Even on grapheneos you got to install the play store and play services to get most app to work, which mean connecting to a Google account. Technically you can use fdroid, Aurora store, or only use stock applications but if we are serious, not all domestic abuse victims are also geeks that know how to do all these things. They will need their apps, for instance for social security. Also, many people use their phone to", "context": "", "use_case": "phone for domestic abuse victims", "switched_from": "", "story": "GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims"}]}, {"label": "Banking attestation", "summary": "Some banking apps restrict or refuse it, and attestation remains a hurdle.", "quotes": [{"id": 803494048, "item_id": 50218378, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50218378", "by": "Aozora7", "date": "2026-10-24", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I switched to GrapheneOS this week, and it looks like I lucked out with my country in that regard.", "excerpt": "I switched to GrapheneOS this week, and it looks like I lucked out with my country in that regard. Government digital signature app fully trusts GrapheneOS since it uses hardware attestation rather than Play Integrity, so I have access to all government services. My bank's app runs on GrapheneOS but doesn't fully trust it. Device is labeled as insecure, biometric login is disabled, and transaction limits are signific", "context": "Recently switched; uses government and bank apps", "use_case": "daily phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Your Phone Is About to Stop Being Yours: 70 Days Until Lockdown"}, {"id": 784138720, "item_id": 49008670, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49008670", "by": "_blk", "date": "2026-07-22", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I'll never go back to stock or worse than stock (Samsung) as long as GrapheneOS is around", "excerpt": "Been using GrapheneOS as daily driver for 4 years on three pixels. Problems only start when banking apps start actively sabotaging it by pretending the phone is rooted etc. Normal apps work normally and you get way more control over them. I'll never go back to stock or worse than stock (Samsung) as long as GrapheneOS is around even if they get rid of all security aspects (which of course they won't, I'm just saying s", "context": "Daily driver for 4 years on three Pixels", "use_case": "daily driver phone OS", "switched_from": "Android", "story": "Roblox Officially Supports GrapheneOS"}, {"id": 783116800, "item_id": 48944800, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48944800", "by": "marmarama", "date": "2026-07-17", "stance": "warn", "quote": "GrapheneOS (or any other custom Android distro) is unlikely to be able to ever pass hardware attestation", "excerpt": "Your \"development build\" is another person's daily driver. Case in point: GrapheneOS (or any other custom Android distro) is unlikely to be able to ever pass hardware attestation, even a signed, secure boot build with the bootloader relocked, because it's not the original OS for the hardware. Same goes for any desktop Linux.", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims"}]}, {"label": "Google dependency", "summary": "Many apps need Play Services, and it runs on Google's Pixel hardware.", "quotes": [{"id": 792684976, "item_id": 49542811, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49542811", "by": "einpoklum", "date": "2026-09-02", "stance": "warn", "quote": "except you're supposed to run it on Google hardware, and apparently with a Google account and connecting to Google's services.", "excerpt": "So, GrapheneOS is a supposed alternative to using Google's OS and their surveillance and adware - except you're supposed to run it on Google hardware, and apparently with a Google account and connecting to Google's services. WTF?", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Play Store blocks AuroraStore, hurting GrapheneOS users"}, {"id": 783105232, "item_id": 48944077, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48944077", "by": "aucisson_masque", "date": "2026-07-16", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Even on grapheneos you got to install the play store and play services to get most app to work", "excerpt": "Even on grapheneos you got to install the play store and play services to get most app to work, which mean connecting to a Google account. Technically you can use fdroid, Aurora store, or only use stock applications but if we are serious, not all domestic abuse victims are also geeks that know how to do all these things. They will need their apps, for instance for social security. Also, many people use their phone to", "context": "", "use_case": "phone for domestic abuse victims", "switched_from": "", "story": "GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims"}]}, {"label": "Not for novices", "summary": "Some say typical end users will struggle with setup choices like Play Services.", "quotes": [{"id": 783167424, "item_id": 48947964, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48947964", "by": "mmooss", "date": "2026-07-17", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I love GrapheneOS, but it isn't ready for typical end-users.", "excerpt": "People in IT vastly overestimate what others understand: > Google Play Store and Google Play Services can be installed from the App Store. Few will manage this on their own. What is Play Store? And what are Play Services? What does 'services' mean? Do I need both? Can I just use one or the other? When would I use them? > They aren\u2019t included by default because GrapheneOS works fine without them. It doesn't, from what", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims"}, {"id": 783105232, "item_id": 48944077, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48944077", "by": "aucisson_masque", "date": "2026-07-16", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Even on grapheneos you got to install the play store and play services to get most app to work", "excerpt": "Even on grapheneos you got to install the play store and play services to get most app to work, which mean connecting to a Google account. Technically you can use fdroid, Aurora store, or only use stock applications but if we are serious, not all domestic abuse victims are also geeks that know how to do all these things. They will need their apps, for instance for social security. Also, many people use their phone to", "context": "", "use_case": "phone for domestic abuse victims", "switched_from": "", "story": "GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims"}]}, {"label": "Group messaging", "summary": "Group texts can fail when using a secondary user profile.", "quotes": [{"id": 796895792, "item_id": 49805987, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49805987", "by": "estebank", "date": "2026-09-22", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "my banking apps have worked with no issues and have worked continuously since I migrated to GrapheneOS", "excerpt": "It is likely a crapshoot, and while that list is informative it is necessarily a snapshot in time. FWIW, my banking apps have worked with no issues and have worked continuously since I migrated to GrapheneOS. I do have Play Services installed to be able to use Android Auto, and that required some fiddling with permissions before it started working, so your mileage may vary. By far the biggest annoyance for me is grou", "context": "", "use_case": "mobile OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "There's a high chance of devices being sold with GrapheneOS preinstalled in 2027"}, {"id": 783165312, "item_id": 48947832, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48947832", "by": "hellojesus", "date": "2026-07-17", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I love it. I can confidently go through customs knowing", "excerpt": "It took me about an hour. I sat down, read the docs, installed it via the web installer, then spent the next 45 min deciding how I wanted to segment separate profiles for play services. Nowadays it seems a lot easier because there seems to be a separate profile isolater you can run in the main profile, which I would choose if I was installing today. The only hiccup I've had is that sometimes group messages don't send", "context": "", "use_case": "secure daily phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims"}]}, {"label": "Camera and backup", "summary": "The stock camera produces drab shots, and backup and restore are described as messy.", "quotes": [{"id": 789299376, "item_id": 49331211, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49331211", "by": "troyvit", "date": "2026-08-17", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I switched to GrapheneOS and it's been mostly great.", "excerpt": "I have another, similar example, though not quite as insidious. I switched to GrapheneOS and it's been mostly great. Unfortunately Graphene's stock camera creates drab shots compared to what the hardware supports. OpenCamera is available, but due to OS restrictions it doesn't work with hardware controls. In other words if you want to take a quick shot you have to unlock the phone and select OpenCamera. Bummer if you'", "context": "de-Googling", "use_case": "phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "How do I permanently disable Google Photos pop-up prompt to backup my photos?"}, {"id": 785180432, "item_id": 49073777, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49073777", "by": "gck1", "date": "2026-07-27", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Its such a shame Android's backup/restore is such a mess, even more so in GrapheneOS.", "excerpt": "Its such a shame Android's backup/restore is such a mess, even more so in GrapheneOS. I remember the era before Google and manufacturs started cracking down on bootloaders and custom ROMs - I used an app that could do effective, actually full backup and restore in single click. Good times.", "context": "", "use_case": "phone backup/restore", "switched_from": "", "story": "US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search"}]}], "who": [{"by": "tosser811", "context": "Pixel user", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50245168", "date": "2026-10-26"}, {"by": "DaSHacka", "context": "member of the GrapheneOS Discord", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50242840", "date": "2026-10-26"}, {"by": "Arch-TK", "context": "GrapheneOS user, bank customer", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50220325", "date": "2026-10-24"}, {"by": "Aozora7", "context": "Recently switched; uses government and bank apps", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50218378", "date": "2026-10-24"}, {"by": "HenrikPontoppid", "context": "lives in Denmark", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49963800", "date": "2026-10-05"}, {"by": "Cider9986", "context": "answers questions on the GrapheneOS forum", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49863253", "date": "2026-09-27"}, {"by": "armadyl", "context": "has daily driven both GrapheneOS and iOS", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49804343", "date": "2026-09-22"}, {"by": "mikae1", "context": "forced to use iPhones at work", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49779048", "date": "2026-09-20"}, {"by": "tEem21", "context": "uses a separate secure profile for apps requiring Google", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49773721", "date": "2026-09-20"}, {"by": "subscribed", "context": "GrapheneOS user", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49759496", "date": "2026-09-18"}, {"by": "Markoff", "context": "uses phone without google account for 10+ years", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49534028", "date": "2026-09-02"}, {"by": "ravenstine", "context": "GrapheneOS user", "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49526886", "date": "2026-09-01"}], "tags": ["for Pixel owners", "for de-Googling", "for privacy-focused users", "for profile separation"], "use_cases": ["phone os", "mobile os", "daily phone os", "privacy-focused phone os", "daily driver phone os", "privacy-focused mobile os"], "compared": [{"slug": "ios", "name": "iOS", "co": 15, "switched_from": 10, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "lineageos", "name": "LineageOS", "co": 18, "switched_from": 6, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "android", "name": "Android", "co": 9, "switched_from": 4, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "e-os", "name": "/e/OS", "co": 8, "switched_from": 2, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "f-droid", "name": "F-Droid", "co": 10, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "aurora-store", "name": "Aurora Store", "co": 9, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "sailfish-os", "name": "Sailfish OS", "co": 5, "switched_from": 2, "switched_to": 0}, {"slug": "signal", "name": "Signal", "co": 8, "switched_from": 0, "switched_to": 0}], "makers": [{"id": 803584032, "item_id": 50224002, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50224002", "by": "grapheneos", "date": "2026-10-24", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Banking app compatibility has greatly improved, mainly due to GrapheneOS working around bugs in the apps", "excerpt": "Banking app compatibility has greatly improved, mainly due to GrapheneOS working around bugs in the apps and adding per-app opt-out for exploit protections known to cause incompatibilities. Around a dozen banking apps have explicitly permitted using GrapheneOS in one way or another. Some removed or changed checks they had to begin permitting it. Other apps began verifying it and potentially other operating systems vi", "context": "GrapheneOS team member", "use_case": "mobile OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Around a dozen banking apps began specifically permitting GrapheneOS"}, {"id": 803583280, "item_id": 50223955, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50223955", "by": "grapheneos", "date": "2026-10-24", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Our linked reply says most banking apps work on GrapheneOS", "excerpt": "Our linked reply says most banking apps work on GrapheneOS and that only around 10% are unavailable due to banning a non-Google-certified OS. What we said about banks specifically permitted it means some of those former 10% of apps not allowing it began explicitly permitting it in one way or another. Some did it by removing or modifying certain checks while others did it by checking for GrapheneOS and potentially oth", "context": "GrapheneOS team member", "use_case": "mobile OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Around a dozen banking apps began specifically permitting GrapheneOS"}, {"id": 803582320, "item_id": 50223895, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50223895", "by": "grapheneos", "date": "2026-10-24", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "GrapheneOS doesn't have app accessible root and has it limited to a tiny set of processes where it's still largely contained via SELinux.", "excerpt": "GrapheneOS doesn't have app accessible root and has it limited to a tiny set of processes where it's still largely contained via SELinux. Debug builds of GrapheneOS have root for Android Debug Bridge (ADB) and it doesn't limit how people can modify it. We don't recommend using a debug build on a production device and people should at least set ro.adb.secure=1 if they do. GrapheneOS is an open source project and peopl", "context": "GrapheneOS team member", "use_case": "mobile OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Around a dozen banking apps began specifically permitting GrapheneOS"}, {"id": 802791360, "item_id": 50174460, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50174460", "by": "grapheneos", "date": "2026-10-21", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "GrapheneOS provides both standalone reimplementations of Google service features not tied to their closed source apps and libraries along with a compatibility layer", "excerpt": "Users having that access is not the same as the OS using that access for more than the bare minimum components and even giving it to apps based on a request prompt. Users need beyond that level of access to install GrapheneOS. It does not mean we think a production device should run a bunch of the OS as root and make it available to applications. GrapheneOS already has hardware-based virtualization where users have a", "context": "speaks for the GrapheneOS project", "use_case": "secure Android OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "MicroG: Free-libre re-implementation of Google's proprietary Android user space"}, {"id": 799160512, "item_id": 49947532, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49947532", "by": "grapheneos", "date": "2026-10-03", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "GrapheneOS users can update to the latest OS release to resolve it.", "excerpt": "GrapheneOS users can update to the latest OS release to resolve it. It's now available in our Stable channel after making it through public Alpha and Beta channel testing. Android is supposed to have memory pressure during regular use on devices without a lightweight setup which it's supposed to quickly handle by killing frozen cached app processes, trimming unused memory across cached/background apps and much more. ", "context": "GrapheneOS project representative", "use_case": "mobile OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "GrapheneOS has fixed the Android 17 QPR1 kernel performance regression"}, {"id": 796158224, "item_id": 49759889, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49759889", "by": "grapheneos", "date": "2026-09-18", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "GrapheneOS is often around 4 to 6 months ahead on merging Linux kernel LTS releases.", "excerpt": "Pixels used to have far better updates than any other Android devices but they stopped improving it years ago. It should have kept improving because it's not at all adequate. They need to be able to release OS updates more than once per month and it shouldn't take months for patches to make it into the OS. It currently takes them at least around 2 months to get even the most urgent patches into the OS. They could fix", "context": "GrapheneOS developer", "use_case": "secure mobile OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Android 17 is the first since 3.x to add new APIs without releasing to the AOSP"}], "threads": [{"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48561654", "title": "GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17 and official releases are coming soon", "mentions": 15}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48755965", "title": "A new Android malware from Google", "mentions": 12}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48942454", "title": "GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims", "mentions": 11}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47045612", "title": "GrapheneOS \u2013 Break Free from Google and Apple", "mentions": 11}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49523754", "title": "Play Store blocks AuroraStore, hurting GrapheneOS users", "mentions": 8}, {"url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50217495", "title": "Around a dozen banking apps began specifically permitting GrapheneOS", "mentions": 7}], "sentiment_by_month": {"2025-11": {"neutral": 4, "recommend": 3}, "2025-12": {"recommend": 4, "neutral": 3}, "2026-01": {"recommend": 2, "neutral": 3}, "2026-02": {"neutral": 6, "recommend": 10}, "2026-03": {"recommend": 19, "neutral": 2}, "2026-04": {"recommend": 6, "neutral": 2}, "2026-05": {"recommend": 2, "neutral": 2}, "2026-06": {"neutral": 6, "recommend": 15, "compare": 1}, "2026-07": {"recommend": 21, "neutral": 8, "warn": 4}, "2026-08": {"recommend": 14, "neutral": 7}, "2026-09": {"recommend": 17, "neutral": 5, "warn": 2}, "2026-10": {"recommend": 7, "neutral": 7}}, "quotes": [{"id": 803922688, "item_id": 50245168, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50245168", "by": "tosser811", "date": "2026-10-26", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use GrapheneOS on my Pixel and it gets very dim.", "excerpt": "I use GrapheneOS on my Pixel and it gets very dim. Also, I have the night mode (orange tint) cranked way up - something that the stock OS should allow you to do.", "context": "Pixel user", "use_case": "dimmer screen at night", "switched_from": "", "story": "OLED iPad Mini"}, {"id": 803885440, "item_id": 50242840, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50242840", "by": "DaSHacka", "date": "2026-10-26", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use the project, I think it's excellent usability-wise and I appreciate the technical work you have done.", "excerpt": "I fail to see how my being in the Graphene discord discredits anything I've said. I use the project, so I remain in the Discord to keep up with updates. You'll notice that I always say I use the project, I think it's excellent usability-wise and I appreciate the technical work you have done. And that, in spite of that, while you are not my \"sworn enemy\" I still find your behavior pathetic and off-putting. I'm all but", "context": "member of the GrapheneOS Discord", "use_case": "mobile OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Around a dozen banking apps began specifically permitting GrapheneOS"}, {"id": 803586240, "item_id": 50224140, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50224140", "by": "lrvick", "date": "2026-10-24", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "even if you built and self signed every release yourself, which I used to do", "excerpt": "You are still having to trust a pile of binary blobs even if you built and self signed every release yourself, which I used to do, but at 240gb of source code it is not practical for most individuals even if you do trust all those dozens of blobs from random vendors, which I do not. This one is not really a fault of GrapheneOS, and more a reality that Android is not actually an open platform and never will be. I requ", "context": "", "use_case": "mobile OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple Security Research Device"}, {"id": 803574464, "item_id": 50223404, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50223404", "by": "smallerfish", "date": "2026-10-24", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "what's the definition of works?", "excerpt": "Hm, what's the definition of works? https://github.com/PrivSec-dev/banking-apps-compat-report/issues/61 - closed without a fix for Zelle. Another user later opened a ticket about Zelle not working, and it got closed as a dupe of the first, which had been closed 2-3 years earlier. Not promising.", "context": "", "use_case": "running banking apps", "switched_from": "", "story": "Around a dozen banking apps began specifically permitting GrapheneOS"}, {"id": 803573392, "item_id": 50223337, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50223337", "by": "privacyishuman", "date": "2026-10-24", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "This is a completely open source linux distro getting official support from banks", "excerpt": "There's five banking apps that support it specifically listed here [1]. I guess the dozen is not listed somewhere. Roblox, Hyundai, and Kia are also apps that officially support GrapheneOS. We should note that not all that are supporting it are using attestation. I find all the people complaining about this to be rather insane. This is a completely open source linux distro getting official support from banks, some of", "context": "", "use_case": "mobile OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Around a dozen banking apps began specifically permitting GrapheneOS"}, {"id": 803525200, "item_id": 50220325, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50220325", "by": "Arch-TK", "date": "2026-10-24", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I use GrapheneOS", "excerpt": "Thanks, but no thanks? I use GrapheneOS, but if you as a bank want to gate access to my money via some kind of technology, you better be including it as part of the account. For example, HSBC continues to let me manage my bank account via the web browser, and continues to offer a battery powered hardware token as the means of authentication. I let you hold my money, for whatever reason. Why do you expect me to be you", "context": "GrapheneOS user, bank customer", "use_case": "mobile OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Around a dozen banking apps began specifically permitting GrapheneOS"}, {"id": 803494048, "item_id": 50218378, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50218378", "by": "Aozora7", "date": "2026-10-24", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I switched to GrapheneOS this week, and it looks like I lucked out with my country in that regard.", "excerpt": "I switched to GrapheneOS this week, and it looks like I lucked out with my country in that regard. Government digital signature app fully trusts GrapheneOS since it uses hardware attestation rather than Play Integrity, so I have access to all government services. My bank's app runs on GrapheneOS but doesn't fully trust it. Device is labeled as insecure, biometric login is disabled, and transaction limits are signific", "context": "Recently switched; uses government and bank apps", "use_case": "daily phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Your Phone Is About to Stop Being Yours: 70 Days Until Lockdown"}, {"id": 803479329, "item_id": 50217458, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50217458", "by": "privacyishuman", "date": "2026-10-24", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "clients like GrapheneOS, iPhones, and Macs are a lot harder to hack than a server", "excerpt": "If you have your server encrypted at rest, don't you have to manually enter a password or use a hardware key each restart? And then it's not encrypted when running. > If you self host, why does it matter if it is E2E? What's your threat model? I prefer E2EE services because clients like GrapheneOS, iPhones, and Macs are a lot harder to hack than a server. And I use Cloudflare tunnels for convenience. It's also just g", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Now Google says it might use your Gmail and Google Photos data to target ads"}, {"id": 801775552, "item_id": 50110972, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50110972", "by": "Andromxda", "date": "2026-10-15", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I recommend reading https://grapheneos.org/usage and https://grapheneos.org/faq", "excerpt": "I recommend reading https://grapheneos.org/usage and https://grapheneos.org/faq, at least in parts. You can take a look at the table of contents and see what's relevant for you.", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Will Linux phones become a viable alternative to the Android/iOS duopoly?"}, {"id": 800881152, "item_id": 50055072, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50055072", "by": "microtonal", "date": "2026-10-12", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "The best chance is an AOSP-based system like GrapheneOS.", "excerpt": "I want to be able to run arbitrary binaries and get access to graphics primitives on my phone, AOSP does none of this. People use a phone for their most private information, including banking credentials, credit card credentials, car keys, etc. The banks, etc. are never going to permit running their apps on devices that can run arbitrary binaries. Most are already blocking rooted Android devices and Android devices w", "context": "", "use_case": "mobile OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Will Linux phones become a viable alternative to the Android/iOS duopoly?"}, {"id": 800436784, "item_id": 50027299, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50027299", "by": "roundup", "date": "2026-10-09", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "Does GrapheneOS have this option at the android level?", "excerpt": "Can I use these settings to disable incoming calls? Does GrapheneOS have this option at the android level?", "context": "", "use_case": "disabling incoming calls", "switched_from": "", "story": "Show HN: Carrier-Explode: iPhone, Pixel and Galaxy carrier settings decoded"}, {"id": 799731472, "item_id": 49983217, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49983217", "by": "slop", "date": "2026-10-06", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "before I got a Pixel and put GrapheneOS on it", "excerpt": "This is cool. I used to user the Apple Configurator method before I got a Pixel and put GrapheneOS on it. If I had an iPhone I would definitely use it. I just made the same thing for GrapheneOS: https://github.com/flourish-today/Odysseus", "context": "", "use_case": "phone operating system", "switched_from": "", "story": "Show HN: attention awareness \u2013 iPhone without the distraction"}, {"id": 799570688, "item_id": 49973168, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49973168", "by": "T1ny", "date": "2026-10-06", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I have installed GOS several times, and currently have a Pixel 11, so I am definitely invested in the outcome of this.", "excerpt": "I appreciate your engagement in every post I've seen on HN. I have installed GOS several times, and currently have a Pixel 11, so I am definitely invested in the outcome of this. I was tempted to go back P10, but haven't yet. Looking forward to the device next year. Does most of the GOS team use GOS as a daily driver?", "context": "", "use_case": "mobile OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Pixel 11 doesn't yet meet the GrapheneOS security standards and may be skipped"}, {"id": 799420800, "item_id": 49963800, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49963800", "by": "HenrikPontoppid", "date": "2026-10-05", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I use GrapheneOS on my personal phone", "excerpt": "I live in Denmark. The 2FA verification system in place now has not had any reported breaches but is nevertheless an absolute joke. I use GrapheneOS on my personal phone which cannot use the government 2FA due to the arbitrary Android integrity API. I therefore use my old phone on which it works perfectly. The catch is that it hasn't been updated in over three years lol. When the ministry responsible for the 2FA syst", "context": "lives in Denmark", "use_case": "personal phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Denmark data breach exposes 8.8M people's personal data"}, {"id": 799020576, "item_id": 49938786, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49938786", "by": "palata", "date": "2026-10-02", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "GrapheneOS is exactly an alternative to Google Android.", "excerpt": "I read a lot of comments like this, saying \"we should have an alternative\". And I agree that it would be really cool, BUT: AOSP and the Android SDK are open source. GrapheneOS is exactly an alternative to Google Android. Sure, Google could shut down the Play Store (but alternative stores exist), or destroy the Play Services (but even then, there is microG). I am happy that Google is still contributing to Android beca", "context": "", "use_case": "alternative to Google Android", "switched_from": "", "story": "GrapheneOS has fixed the Android 17 QPR1 kernel performance regression"}, {"id": 797812048, "item_id": 49863253, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49863253", "by": "Cider9986", "date": "2026-09-27", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I love to see new people using the OS", "excerpt": "On the GrapheneOS forum, I enjoy answering the questions in a post of user who just set up their phone. AI does not have as good knowledge of the OS as frequent forum contributors. I'm sure plenty of people get by with AI help for their questions and there's likely little questions that hasn't been already discussed, but I love to see new people using the OS and it doesn't take long to give them an exact answer. The ", "context": "answers questions on the GrapheneOS forum", "use_case": "mobile OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "If we do not stop to help each other, what do we become?"}, {"id": 797520273, "item_id": 49845017, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49845017", "by": "rcMgD2BwE72F", "date": "2026-09-25", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Idem with GrapheneOS vs Pixel OS.", "excerpt": "I get no high from my phone/apps since there are no ads and no perverse incentives. I'm not the product of the services I pay for. I'm happy Fastmail (made by a small company) is much better and faster than Gmail (made by a advertising behemoth). Idem with GrapheneOS vs Pixel OS. The less friction, the shortest time spent using the phone, the most time to enjoy spending time outside and with friends.", "context": "", "use_case": "phone OS", "switched_from": "Pixel OS", "story": "I'm tired of being on the network"}, {"id": 797319090, "item_id": 49832443, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49832443", "by": "silverbluep", "date": "2026-09-24", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I have been using droid-ify on GrapheneOS for a few years now", "excerpt": "I have been using droid-ify on GrapheneOS for a few years now; because F-Droid ui is terrible, and the privilege extention has been such a pain to configure and get working without issues on my previous lineageOS phone. Happy to see this major overhaul; and i'm glad the FPE is being phased out.", "context": "", "use_case": "phone OS", "switched_from": "LineageOS", "story": "F-Droid 2.0"}, {"id": 797318976, "item_id": 49832436, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49832436", "by": "sandreas", "date": "2026-09-24", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "APP providers actively preventing their apps to work on graphene OS", "excerpt": "No... I use a combination of Aurora, Obtainium and F-Droid. Unfortunately there are APP providers actively preventing their apps to work on graphene OS, so i own an extra use@home cheap broken glass iphone for these mandatory but non-graphene apps. It is a pain and it is getting worse... I'm really tempted to get back to the Apple ecosystem for less shens but currently i cannot do this yet... It just feels wrong but ", "context": "", "use_case": "phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "F-Droid 2.0"}, {"id": 797003552, "item_id": 49812722, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49812722", "by": "metalman", "date": "2026-09-23", "stance": "warn", "quote": "graphene is the worst possible response", "excerpt": "not true, there are several european projects that are delivering daily driver linux phones the real issue is to subvert the hiarhical security theater and fantasist mindset that is pushing the world into a seething techno fuedal shit show and start building user centric software and hardware for everything. graphene is the worst possible response in that it is only offering membership into an elete fiefdom, and the ", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "There's a high chance of devices being sold with GrapheneOS preinstalled in 2027"}, {"id": 796985297, "item_id": 49811581, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49811581", "by": "david_bai", "date": "2026-09-23", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "GrapheneOS is Pixel-only", "excerpt": "The security story is more nuanced than \"obsolete\". Project Mainline (APEX modules) keeps parts of the framework - media codecs, DNS resolver, conscrypt - updated through Google Play system updates even after the OEM stops patching, and WebView, which is the biggest real-world attack surface for most people, keeps updating as a Play app. What actually freezes is the kernel, vendor blobs and baseband, so the risk is \"", "context": "", "use_case": "custom ROM for old phones", "switched_from": "", "story": "Ask HN: What do people do with Android phones once security updates end?"}, {"id": 796896336, "item_id": 49806021, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49806021", "by": "Cider9986", "date": "2026-09-22", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "their whole operating system is FOSS", "excerpt": "> Graphene OS devs themselves recommend that you install apps on Graphene OS via Google Play Store for security reasons. Can you provide a source that they've said this recently? This seems to be a bit of a misrepresentation. They say: >The Play Store app is also the most secure way to install and update apps from the Play Store. on /usage, but this does not indicate it's the most private way or that it's the recomme", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "There's a high chance of devices being sold with GrapheneOS preinstalled in 2027"}, {"id": 796895792, "item_id": 49805987, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49805987", "by": "estebank", "date": "2026-09-22", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "my banking apps have worked with no issues and have worked continuously since I migrated to GrapheneOS", "excerpt": "It is likely a crapshoot, and while that list is informative it is necessarily a snapshot in time. FWIW, my banking apps have worked with no issues and have worked continuously since I migrated to GrapheneOS. I do have Play Services installed to be able to use Android Auto, and that required some fiddling with permissions before it started working, so your mileage may vary. By far the biggest annoyance for me is grou", "context": "", "use_case": "mobile OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "There's a high chance of devices being sold with GrapheneOS preinstalled in 2027"}, {"id": 796869488, "item_id": 49804343, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49804343", "by": "armadyl", "date": "2026-09-22", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "as much as I love GOS", "excerpt": "As someone who has daily driven both side by side as much as I love GOS, AOSP / Android absolutely does not feel premium compared to iOS. Both the UI and UX are rough compared to the polish of iOS. And the FOSS apps on Android are extremely subpar in terms of feel compared to iOS (off the top of my head look at how bad the Fossify Contacts app is compared to Google Contacts) but that\u2019s the trade-off. I also don\u2019t thi", "context": "has daily driven both GrapheneOS and iOS", "use_case": "daily driver phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple has added persistent 'ads' to iOS, and it's driving users crazy"}, {"id": 796464768, "item_id": 49779048, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49779048", "by": "mikae1", "date": "2026-09-20", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use GrapheneOS for my own phone", "excerpt": "> although being Android based it's not really an option for me. It'd be like trading a Porsche 911 for a Pontiac Aztec. I use GrapheneOS for my own phone and have always been forced into iPhones at work. iOS, after 12 years of use, is still so terrible that I can't just get over it. I open my MacBook and will do whatever needs to be done from there. I should probably get an iPhone for private use too though. It woul", "context": "forced to use iPhones at work", "use_case": "personal phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple iPhone 18 Pro Camera test"}, {"id": 796379536, "item_id": 49773721, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49773721", "by": "tEem21", "date": "2026-09-20", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I have not had any issues using banking apps on Graphene without Play Services.", "excerpt": "This is something that gets mentioned a lot, especially from people who don't use Graphene or other custom ROMs themselves. Personally, I have not had any issues using banking apps on Graphene without Play Services. While this is just anecdotal, even if apps required them, I use a separate \"secure profile\" where I dump all the fishy, but necessary apps that require Google. I used to run a separate Lineage phone with ", "context": "uses a separate secure profile for apps requiring Google", "use_case": "phone OS with banking apps", "switched_from": "LineageOS", "story": "Android 17 is the first since 3.x to add new APIs without releasing to the AOSP"}, {"id": 796170112, "item_id": 49760632, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49760632", "by": "drnick1", "date": "2026-09-18", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use Graphene for the sake of user control.", "excerpt": "Same thing here, I use Graphene for the sake of user control. All the security features and hardening of the Pixel phones and of the OS are good to have, but they not the main reason.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Android 17 is the first since 3.x to add new APIs without releasing to the AOSP"}, {"id": 796156176, "item_id": 49759761, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49759761", "by": "largbae", "date": "2026-09-18", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "GrapheneOS has the bootable AOSP and will have Google-alternative device support.", "excerpt": "Alright AI maximalists, what's the estimated token budget to remove the Google dependency? GrapheneOS has the bootable AOSP and will have Google-alternative device support. We probably need an equivalent to Play Services, app signing/porting/publishing tools. With these in hand could we talk Valve into providing the scalable alternative to the play store?", "context": "", "use_case": "Google-free Android", "switched_from": "", "story": "Android 17 is the first since 3.x to add new APIs without releasing to the AOSP"}, {"id": 796153440, "item_id": 49759590, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49759590", "by": "aftbit", "date": "2026-09-18", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Graphene has been my daily driver for the past year or so.", "excerpt": "Graphene has been my daily driver for the past year or so. The only thing I miss is the ability to do contactless payments. Otherwise, it's been awesome. I don't run any games nor do I care about any of the AI features. YMMV.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Android 17 is the first since 3.x to add new APIs without releasing to the AOSP"}, {"id": 796151936, "item_id": 49759496, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49759496", "by": "subscribed", "date": "2026-09-18", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "as a GrapheneOS user if I couldn't use it for any reason I'll go to iOS", "excerpt": "Because it's much worse (for me). However at this point, as a GrapheneOS user if I couldn't use it for any reason I'll go to iOS (even though I used it for a couple of years and I've been fed up).", "context": "GrapheneOS user", "use_case": "daily phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Android 17 is the first since 3.x to add new APIs without releasing to the AOSP"}, {"id": 796146560, "item_id": 49759160, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49759160", "by": "ahmd-sh", "date": "2026-09-18", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Graphene is reaching that status for me every day and i'm looking forward to switching to it as my daily driver.", "excerpt": "i despise where Google is going with this. it's a duopoly in the smartphone OS space and we need (for lack of a better analogy, spare the technicals) open-source distros like we have with Linux on desktop. Graphene is reaching that status for me every day and i'm looking forward to switching to it as my daily driver.", "context": "", "use_case": "daily driver phone OS", "switched_from": "Android", "story": "Android 17 is the first since 3.x to add new APIs without releasing to the AOSP"}, {"id": 794758961, "item_id": 49672435, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49672435", "by": "ntnsndr", "date": "2026-09-12", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I'd love to try Graphene.", "excerpt": "Poster said huge overlap, not huge audience:) But I agree with the overlap. I use e/OS partly because I can run it on a Fairphone. I'd love to try Graphene.", "context": "", "use_case": "phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released"}, {"id": 794127540, "item_id": 49632971, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49632971", "by": "emacdona", "date": "2026-09-09", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I plan on getting a Pixel and putting GrapheneOS on it.", "excerpt": "I used to be one of those people that would countdown the hours to Apple's launch events and tune in for the live stream. I was never someone who updated my iPhone every year, but I _did_ update my iPhone every two years. Now, I can't even remember what version iPhone I have. I just remember that I bought it after my last one stopped working (after maybe 5 or 6 years of having it). I won't lie: part of the reason is ", "context": "", "use_case": "privacy phone OS", "switched_from": "iOS", "story": "iPhone Duo"}, {"id": 793524992, "item_id": 49595312, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49595312", "by": "teekert", "date": "2026-09-07", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I love it, I hope they succeed beyond just us geeks here.", "excerpt": "They are really creating a lot of buzz recently. I love it, I hope they succeed beyond just us geeks here. It is imho imperative for a fair and balanced technological society that it retains the means for truly private and secure communications. My devices help me think, and my thoughts are my own. That is a fundamental condition of human-hood. Sure we can change that, if that's what we want, but do we? If we do, do ", "context": "", "use_case": "private and secure mobile OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard"}, {"id": 793099936, "item_id": 49568746, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49568746", "by": "rustcleaner", "date": "2026-09-04", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I've replaced batteries on Pixel 3 XL and Pixel 6 Pro, both having run GrapheneOS.", "excerpt": "I've replaced batteries on Pixel 3 XL and Pixel 6 Pro, both having run GrapheneOS. I use OSMAnd~ with no network permission (except during maps/POI updates). OSMAnd~ shows me where ALPRs are, so I can plan my routes around Flock. :^)", "context": "", "use_case": "phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "How Fairphone built the Fairphone Gen 6+"}, {"id": 792766384, "item_id": 49547899, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49547899", "by": "gradeless", "date": "2026-09-03", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "Ive had MTE enabled on GrapheneOS for the past 3 years for pretty much all apps I use without any issues.", "excerpt": "Ive had MTE enabled on GrapheneOS for the past 3 years for pretty much all apps I use without any issues. Theres a couple of apps that use C++ libraries for which I disable MTE. Most android apps using Java or Kotalin which hugely helps with avoiding buggy apps crashing with MTE enabled. Android can and does regularly force developers to make changes to their apps to improve privacy and security on the platform. Like", "context": "", "use_case": "mobile OS with MTE", "switched_from": "", "story": "GrapheneOS says Pixel 11 has MTE support after all"}, {"id": 792684976, "item_id": 49542811, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49542811", "by": "einpoklum", "date": "2026-09-02", "stance": "warn", "quote": "except you're supposed to run it on Google hardware, and apparently with a Google account and connecting to Google's services.", "excerpt": "So, GrapheneOS is a supposed alternative to using Google's OS and their surveillance and adware - except you're supposed to run it on Google hardware, and apparently with a Google account and connecting to Google's services. WTF?", "context": "", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Play Store blocks AuroraStore, hurting GrapheneOS users"}, {"id": 792639856, "item_id": 49539991, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49539991", "by": "Cider9986", "date": "2026-09-02", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I used to use it before I switched to GrapheneOS.", "excerpt": "I want to use GrapheneOS without the ability to access the browser and without the ability to install new apps. At least without a password. A long one written down on paper would be enough friction for me. You could also give it to a trusted person. You can also write/give only a portion of a password and then memorize the other part. Afaict there's not an effective way to do this like you can on iPhones with Apple ", "context": "", "use_case": "mobile OS", "switched_from": "iOS", "story": "I don't have a smartphone or at least I wish I didn't"}, {"id": 792544449, "item_id": 49534028, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49534028", "by": "Markoff", "date": "2026-09-02", "stance": "neutral", "quote": "I am not using graphene, find it too paranoid for my taste", "excerpt": "I had last successsful update on August 26, which I wouldnt call for a while, tried yesterday, I've got error messages everyone mentions today I bothered to try various anonymous Aurora accounts and found finally the one working (like 5th in row) and updated the apps, I can live with updates once a week, not exactly sure what is OP doing I mean if they are really rate limited just give me waiting time, I don't really", "context": "uses phone without google account for 10+ years", "use_case": "", "switched_from": "", "story": "Play Store blocks AuroraStore, hurting GrapheneOS users"}, {"id": 792430176, "item_id": 49526886, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49526886", "by": "ravenstine", "date": "2026-09-01", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I use GrapheneOS because it provides better security and privacy out of the box than LineageOS", "excerpt": "GrapheneOS (the project) might recommend for or against certain things in relation to their specific objectives, but that doesn't mean all GrapheneOS users have the same objectives or need to comply with the opinions of GrapheneOS. For instance, I use GrapheneOS because it provides better security and privacy out of the box than LineageOS, but I'm also not so paranoid that I'm going to just blindly listen to advice a", "context": "GrapheneOS user", "use_case": "mobile OS", "switched_from": "LineageOS", "story": "Play Store blocks AuroraStore, hurting GrapheneOS users"}, {"id": 791941888, "item_id": 49496368, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49496368", "by": "harvey9", "date": "2026-08-30", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I used the web based installer and it was so easy", "excerpt": "I used the web based installer and it was so easy that we would be complaining the kids are not really learning anything by doing it!", "context": "", "use_case": "installing on a phone", "switched_from": "", "story": "California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law"}, {"id": 790045344, "item_id": 49377834, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49377834", "by": "tentacleuno", "date": "2026-08-20", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "If it wasn't for GrapheneOS and the desire for a private and secure OS", "excerpt": "The Pixel 5 was an absolutely brilliant phone; everything about it was right: the texture, the size, and the battery was great too. It was the best phone I've ever had. It's a blueprint for creating a great phone, IMO. I've since moved onto a Pixel 9a and it just isn't as good, IMO. The screen seems so much... weaker? I used to drop the 5 quite a bit onto hard concrete floors, and it never sustained the damage that t", "context": "Pixel user", "use_case": "private, secure phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Pixel 11 Pro Fold feels like the end of an era"}, {"id": 786318849, "item_id": 49144928, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49144928", "by": "unknown_user_84", "date": "2026-08-02", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I can keep extremely tight control on the NFC stack by toggling NFC with a quick access icon.", "excerpt": "That is essentially it as far as my understanding goes. Google Wallet currently will not run on a fully updated grapheneOS. Specifically it complains: \"Your device doesn't meet tap to pay security standards. It may be rooted or running uncertified software.\" Which is fair. But something that actually works would be nice. I can keep extremely tight control on the NFC stack by toggling NFC with a quick access icon. Not", "context": "GrapheneOS user", "use_case": "secure phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "A big win for Android interoperability"}, {"id": 785430048, "item_id": 49089378, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49089378", "by": "gertop", "date": "2026-07-28", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "All you need to install graphene is a web browser and USB cable.", "excerpt": "> An alternative to the Android-iOS duopoly that involves futzing with cables and command lines is never going to go mainstream All you need to install graphene is a web browser and USB cable. > By contrast, a vertically integrated FOSS(ish) hardware-software stack might eventually get to 5% market share, like desktop Linux Those exists. They've never gained traction. If you think graphene is too much tinkering, you'", "context": "", "use_case": "mobile OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Donate to GrapheneOS"}, {"id": 784138720, "item_id": 49008670, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49008670", "by": "_blk", "date": "2026-07-22", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I'll never go back to stock or worse than stock (Samsung) as long as GrapheneOS is around", "excerpt": "Been using GrapheneOS as daily driver for 4 years on three pixels. Problems only start when banking apps start actively sabotaging it by pretending the phone is rooted etc. Normal apps work normally and you get way more control over them. I'll never go back to stock or worse than stock (Samsung) as long as GrapheneOS is around even if they get rid of all security aspects (which of course they won't, I'm just saying s", "context": "Daily driver for 4 years on three Pixels", "use_case": "daily driver phone OS", "switched_from": "Android", "story": "Roblox Officially Supports GrapheneOS"}, {"id": 783917056, "item_id": 48994816, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48994816", "by": "Pfhortune", "date": "2026-07-21", "stance": "recommend", "quote": "I've been using GrapheneOS for years and that hasn't been my experience. There are two financial apps that don't work for me, and that's it.", "excerpt": "> hanks to Google efforts switching to GrapheneOS mean tons of apps either not working or break every few months. I've been using GrapheneOS for years and that hasn't been my experience. There are two financial apps that don't work for me, and that's it. Pretty much everything else I use is fine. But, to be fair, I'm very scrupulous about my apps and tend to avoid installing an app for every little thing that wants m", "context": "long-term GrapheneOS user, careful about installed apps", "use_case": "daily phone OS", "switched_from": "", "story": "Apple Defeats Liability for Not Scanning iCloud for CSAM"}, {"id": 783105232, "item_id": 48944077, "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48944077", "by": "aucisson_masque", "date": "2026-07-16", "stance": "warn", "quote": "Even on grapheneos you got to install the play store and play services to get most app to work", "excerpt": "Even on grapheneos you got to install the play store and play services to get most app to work, which mean connecting to a Google account. Technically you can use fdroid, Aurora store, or only use stock applications but if we are serious, not all domestic abuse victims are also geeks that know how to do all these things. They will need their apps, for instance for social security. Also, many people use their phone to", "context": "", "use_case": "phone for domestic abuse victims", "switched_from": "", "story": "GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims"}]}